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Post by jim1973 on Oct 30, 2022 0:07:32 GMT
Rules as Written then the answer is "no" and "no". But is that the intent? To quote PB "Troops are defined (in DBA 3) by battlefield behaviour..."
TROOP DEFINITIONS - "A few armies such as Later Byzantines and Teutonic Order used knights in deep wedges with the most heavily armoured in front and on the sides and lesser troops inside. Why be in a wedge if you are trotting into the enemy?
III/65 Nikephorian Byzantine - "Klibanophoroi were heavily armoured men with normal sized shields on completely felt or leather armoured horses; who fought in deep wedge aimed at the enemy general. They are best represented by a double element (in front 2 figures armed with maces and behind them 2 lesser-armoured archers flanked by lancers). Again, this sounds like a charging unit trying to get more impetus rather than a cataphract unit.
IV/30 Teutonic Orders - "Armies usually included 1 or 2 "spitz" wedges with the best armoured knights in front. Note that ritterbruder "brother knights" were fully armoured men with heavy lances riding destriers similar to western knights, but knechte were not". Again, sounds like charging knights rather than trotting knights. Also, the army lists are: 1 x General (3Kn or 6Kn), 1 x ritterbruder (3Kn or 6Kn)... It doesn't make sense to me that the same troops can recoil the 4Kn in the shallower formation (3Kn) but not in a deep wedge (6Kn).
My view is that this is an oversight and that 6Kn (and possibly HCh but I can't find anything to help determine how they were expected to behave in the game) were forgotten when the combat outcomes between Knights were being developed. But I could be wrong and I would love to know if any of the development team have any notes on this topic.
But, Rules as Written, 6Kn and HCh are not "3Kn" so do not recoil 4Kn on equals.
Cheers
Jim
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 28, 2022 11:36:00 GMT
Perhaps the best way to think about the rules in this case is that side-support represents a Shieldwall/Phalanx making the Spears relatively impervious to the attacks of the Psiloi but also rendering the Spears incapable of catching the nimble light troops unless they get around their flank. 5-2 gives Ps only 1/12 of beating Sp. 4-2 makes it 1/6.
Jim
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 27, 2022 12:06:59 GMT
Good points stevie. Getting the most out of the exotic units is certainly a good way to throw your opponent off balance.
Jim
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 25, 2022 9:58:53 GMT
Will do!
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 25, 2022 8:58:05 GMT
As mentioned on a previous thread, I will try to put up some battle reports. I'll try for 1 per week until Xmas. Firstly, Cyrus (Early Achaemenid Persia I/60b) invaded Kyrene in North Africa (Early Kyrenean Greek I/56a). The invasion occurred in spring and started at sunrise with the possibility of Strong Winds (Time and Weather variant on wiki). This could be a problem for the Persian archers. But it could also interfere with any Littoral sea landing by the Greeks, which would be a potential advantage given the Persian empire doesn't have the resources for a sea landing (sigh). Here are the starting positions:  The Greeks didn't take the risk of a sea landing. Early PIPs were low and the mobile tower managed to take out the middle spear element. The wind kicked up suddenly but died away just as quick. Then the lines clashed.  Initially, the Persians stood up but archery became ineffective and inevitably the spears overran the sparabara and destroy the centre  So victory to the Kyreneans. A spear heavy army in its own territory is tough and 8Bw cannot handle it, compounded with the 2 element loss for the first 8Bw casualty. We've discussed this before on several occasions. Maybe in a future iteration they will get some punch. Hope you enjoy. Jim |
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 23, 2022 4:32:41 GMT
Top notch! The ageing of the woodwork is particularly good.
Jim
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 21, 2022 11:13:21 GMT
What ancient justice techniques did you use to educate these scallywags? 😉 Jim The usual request for the fleas of a thousand camels to infest their armpits  So fitting! |
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 18, 2022 7:15:37 GMT
Here in Oz I have placed orders with Khurusan where I combine with a few friends. Between us we reach the Max Postage amount ($US62 for an order of $250.01+) and then we split it up (I assign it proportionately based on the contribution to the order) That way the postage amount is spread across several people, so not so painful. cheers Please PM me next time you place an order. I love Khurasan figures! Cheers Jim |
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 17, 2022 23:08:34 GMT
I'm hoping that 3D prinitng technology and software continues to improve at the current rate so that downsizing a 28mm to 15mm will be relatively straight forward without significant loss of relevant details.
Fingers crossed!
Jim
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 17, 2022 11:16:17 GMT
I feel lucky that I came back to DBA a few years ago and I (re)built my collection fairly quickly, as you are absolutely right - sad to see a generation of figure producers disappearing  On the other hand, I started dabbling in resin 3d printing and I think we are close to see it being detailed enough for people to produce their own 15 mm figures - we'll see if that brings fresh air to the scale. I agree. The future may be bright given the rapid improvement of home 3d resin printing. Printing a DBA army in a day will mean the mountain of miniatures will never be conquered! Jim |
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 16, 2022 1:51:56 GMT
Another example is in the Post Mongol Samurai army (IV/59b). The Ikko Ikki (5Hd) were rebellious religious fanatics spoiling for a brawl and the Town Militia (7Hd) would rather be farming but will defend their homes resolutely. I don't see all 7Hd as poorly motivated dregs, though some certainly were exactly that! I see the difference as one of historically aggressive troops versus historically defensive. Take the Anglo/Danish Great Fyrd as an example of resolute defenders.
Cheers
Jim
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 15, 2022 0:00:58 GMT
Get well soon to all that are unwell.
Your post serves as a timely reminder that nothing lasts forever and we are an ageing community. Time to dust off the paints and figures and get painting and playing!
Jim
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 14, 2022 23:27:24 GMT
A thread about a rule question has taken a depressing turn. I must say, it has felt a bit stagnant of late. I guess all rulesets get played until they break or become repetitive. The beauty of DBA3 for me is the genius of the 12 elements and the enormous army lists that allow you to change period quickly with minimal outlay. It keeps the game fresh. A rewrite/revision/review is very much dependant on if/when the rights are acquired. It will never be perfect but I hope that if it does change, it doesn't split the community. It is nice to know that across the globe adults a pushing toy soldiers around (in roughly) the same way. I hope we remain a tolerant group and accept each other's views without antagonism. No rule set will ever be all things to all people. But these few pages still seem to give a great game based on player decisions rather than special rules and buckets of dice. I would love to see a DBA 3.0.5 produced, if not in book form, then as print on demand or PDF, rewriting the current rules in a more accessible way, hopefully with the WRG tick of approval. Cheers Jim At the risk of being accused of flagrant self-promotion, I want to revisit my post from a few days ago, highlighting the non-gaming concerns. I've only ever met two people in person from this forum, stevie and menacussecundus who showed me wonderful hospitality. I'd hoped to meet more but the world went strange a few years ago. However, I've come to know about people like Tony A, timurilank, lkmjbc, and many others that are passionate supporters and promoters of this game. That includes martin and medievalthomas. It saddens me that we may be losing talented people from this community because it is likely this will start to snowball over time. We all know this is an aging hobby. If it is to survive it will need to be a broad church. DBA 3 is a finished product. PB will not be changing it. DBX has a future. There can be changes that become "accepted" and improve the game (think Shooters/Warband in HOTT) but this can only work if we remain tolerant, try new things and share our experiences. I do hope we get out of this rut. Cheers Jim PS To help this, I will commit to a battle report per week with pictures. Nothing helps keep interest alive more than pictures of little men |
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 13, 2022 9:17:09 GMT
Very imaginative, those Romans! |
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 13, 2022 0:01:56 GMT
What ancient justice techniques did you use to educate these scallywags? 😉
Jim
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So fitting!
