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Post by medievalthomas on Jan 12, 2022 22:18:52 GMT
The contact is legal and, as its a front edge contact, it triggers the conforming rules.
First the moving Group must attempt to conform as much as it can (since it contacted another Group).
Second you must then show that the moving Group had enough MA to make full front edge contact (but not line up corner o corner as that does not cost MA).
If the moving Group is prevented from full front edge corner to corner contact then the non-moving Group must conform as much as possible or fight as if Overlapped (and this is an additional Overlap).
Here there are two Groups and they can make separate decisions. If they remain in place only one Element actually fights.
It is not clear from the rules whether you must conform the entire Group or you could optionally just conform a single Element so you'll have to make your own ruling. I would give the defender the option.
Conforming is not tactical movement. One of its oddities for the non-moving Element is that the entire displacement to conform costs no MA - it just happens so don't over rule lawyer about Art "moving" into contact. The whole idea is the attacking Elements are really initialing contact and we just don't want to allow the rigid bases to prevent this. Once you start conforming don't worry about TZ's and who can contact what - the goal is to get the Elements in contact.
Many older players are so used to the geometry tricks of 2.2 that they can't quite wrap their head around the ease and decisiveness of 3.0. Move, contact, conform roll dice.
TomT
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Post by cgd on Jan 17, 2022 6:56:20 GMT
another thought (p.9, 8th line from the bottom) : "If conforming to a front edge is prevented [...], contacted elements or groups must either conform or fight as if in full contact and overlapped" Here groups are contacted. So I read : "contacted groups must either conform or fight as if in full contact and overlapped"
My understanding (once again, English is as second langage for me, maybe native speakers would have another interpretation) is that each group must conform. OR if a group decides not to (or let say, cannot) conform, it must fight as if in full contact and overlapped. (the group is in full contact and overlapped).
No ?
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Post by menacussecundus on Jan 17, 2022 9:03:19 GMT
another thought (p.9, 8th line from the bottom) : " If conforming to a front edge is prevented [...], contacted elements or groups must either conform or fight as if in full contact and overlapped" Here groups are contacted. So I read : " contacted groups must either conform or fight as if in full contact and overlapped" My understanding (once again, English is as second langage for me, maybe native speakers would have another interpretation) is that each group must conform. OR if a group decides not to (or let say, cannot) conform, it must fight as if in full contact and overlapped. (the group is in full contact and overlapped). No ? If the entire group has to fight as if in full contact and overlapped, surely that could give rise to combats between elements which are not even in contact with each other? Going back to your original diagram, if the Artillery elements don't conform, does C fight Y with an overlap? I don't think it does. I would say that a group can conform as a group, but that it would also be possible for only part of the group to conform or even just a single element. In your example, Z could conform and Y could remain where it is.
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