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Post by gaelyann on Nov 13, 2017 21:12:56 GMT
Hello gaelyann, the rules say: "Unless turning to face a flank or rear contact (see p.10), contacted elements conform at contact."
... that means ... if a group contacts a single element on its side edge, it turns and conforms to the group instantly and does not wait until the end of the bound! Cheers, Ronald. hum... Doesn't that sentence say exactly the opposite ? Doesn,'t "Unless turning to face a flank or rear contact" Mean that the element has to conform only when it's a frontal contact ? All that is so confusing...
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Post by gaelyann on Nov 13, 2017 9:13:35 GMT
This is correct for single elements. Groups contacting a single element “A” can change things a little. How so ? Thank you for your answers, by the way.
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Post by gaelyann on Nov 12, 2017 22:09:52 GMT
OK,
just to be sure I get it right :
1) unit A is not in contact with any enemy unit. 2) during the enemy's movement phase, enemy unit B moves into legal flank contact with unit A (flank contact and corner-to-corner) 3) then, during the same movement phase, enemy unit C moves into legal frontal contact with unit A.
at the end of the enemy movement phase, unit A does not have to turn to face the first unit that contacted it (enemy unit B), because it is already in frontal contact with enemy unit C, even though enemy unit C contacted unit A after enemy unit B.
right or wrong ?
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Post by gaelyann on Oct 4, 2017 20:04:53 GMT
For an all-options DBA v3 I/1b Early Summerian 2799-2334BC army, we need :
- 7 command figurines on foot (some with pikes, some with axes ?) - 28 pikemen - 8 archers - 3 javelinmen - 6 slingers or javelinmen - 2 sumerian battlecarts (including 1 command) - 2 sumerian straddlecarts (including 1 command)
so, 4 carts and 52 infantry figs
add 16 javelinmen to get the I/1c army, add 24 archers to get the I/1a army.
are there other armies that could be played with this range ?
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Post by gaelyann on Oct 4, 2017 19:43:30 GMT
I'll email Nic and let him know that I'll be interested in a DBA army with the lot! Need to support Ancients manufacturers DownUnder. Jim Ditto.
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Post by gaelyann on Jun 8, 2017 15:20:31 GMT
My Magister Militum Sea people figs came today and I've mixed them on their temporary bases with the Essex figures to see how they fit in. I can honestly say they have done the trick and the MM and Essex mix I have now exceeds what I was hoping for....can't wait to see them painted. As I plan on doing the same, any photo possible ? About the essex references, some have mixed poses and some don't, is that right ?
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Post by gaelyann on Jun 1, 2017 20:07:15 GMT
OK, so I should have written to be complete : Front element destroyed -> rear supporting element not destroyed if not itself flanked or in column.I am confused by what you were saying here. If the front supported element is destroyed, the rear element is not destroyed for having provided support, period. Any second rank element is destroyed if it is flanked with the front or in a column. This has nothing to do with giving support so why conflate the two circumstances. The one important consideration of giving support or not is that a supporting element is not turned to face A flank or rear attack. Sorry, I guess that's what I meant, but english is not my mother tongue...
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Post by gaelyann on Jun 1, 2017 5:47:06 GMT
That is correct. The wording under "Destroyed Elements" is different to previous editions. Steve has noted the exception around columns. The diagrams are certainly useful here. OK, so I should have written to be complete : Front element destroyed -> rear supporting element not destroyed if not itself flanked or in column.
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Post by gaelyann on May 31, 2017 21:07:02 GMT
You are correct, elements giving rear support (i.e. Wb, Pk, and now LH) are not destroyed nor do they recoil if the front rank they are supporting is destroyed. But the rear elements in a column, even if they are not providing rear support, are also destroyed if attacked in the flank when the front element is destroyed. This is described under Destroyed Elements, page 12, paragraph 1:- Flank and rear destruction: An element that has an enemy front edge in contact with its side or rear edge is destroyed by recoiling, being pushed back, fleeing, or being in a column whose front element is destroyed ( See diagrams 19b, 19c and 20a to 20f, as well as the FAQ). Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, including the latest FAQ and the Quick Reference Sheets from the Society of Ancients:- fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
Okay, si is that the consensus around here ? Front element destroyed -> rear supporting element not destroyed if not itself flanked ?
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Post by gaelyann on Nov 20, 2016 14:19:35 GMT
207BC was the date of the Qin emperor's last major battle (Julu) and his surrender. But he and his capital survived until 206BC. 202 BC isn't really useful - as I think it can only refer to when the Han defeated the Chu (Gaixia) to determine that the next dynasty would be Han. So the date in the book must just be wrong... and interestingly, its just a copy of the same error in the 2.2 lists. Not really sure where the start date comes from either, since the Qin state (within Zhou) had been around since the 9th/8th C. BC. I'm not sure, who the Chao are in the list? The date makes it look like the Chu, the name makes them look like the Zhou, but then why 202? The name schema in the "Oriental" (**shudder with revulsion**) lists are pretty bad. Thanks a lot, so I'll just play the II/4a Ch'in chinese army list and consider it goes through 202 BC...
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Post by gaelyann on Nov 16, 2016 8:35:19 GMT
I want to play the Emperor Ch'in army (the terracotta army), but I wonder about the dates of the II/4 army sub-lists :
- The II/4a Ch'in chinese army ends in 221BC, while in the text it says the army list includes the ch'in empire from 220BC until its collapse in 207BC. So is the army II/4a sublist end date wrong, or is this period covered by another sublist of this army (may be the II/4e Other chinese armies that ends in 202BC) ? In other words, if I want to play the Ch'in empire army between 220BC (end of the conquest of the warrong states) and 207BC, what army list must I take ?
- another point that bothers me, the II/4c Chao chinese sublist ends in 202BC, while this kingdom is supposed to have been conquered by 221BC (date of complete "reunification" of the warring states by the ch'in), is the date wrong ? May be the end dates of the II/4a and II/4c have been swapped ?
may be the army lists of other games (DBM(M), AdG) would help clarify these points ?
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Post by gaelyann on Nov 6, 2016 17:20:52 GMT
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Post by gaelyann on Sept 29, 2016 21:45:42 GMT
That SoA QRS looks fabulous and is a fine resource, but there's a small but significant error at the bottom of Page-1. In the Outcome Moves section, it says that Bows pursue. They don't, but Warbands do. (Page-12) Simply cross out " Bw" and insert " Wb". //Paul in Seattle the version on the SoA site is correct, though.
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Post by gaelyann on Sept 6, 2016 21:40:09 GMT
The diagrams are to help clarify the rules, not to muddle them. When there is disagreement between the rules text and the diagrams, the rules text takes precedent. Both examples are groups. all right, I'll play it that way from now on (not that we put ourselves in that kind of position usually), but in real life would'nt that make sense that, to make a manoeuver as a group (especially for example a wheeling move), they'd align their front and not their rear ? Are there historical examples of case A manoeuvers ?
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Post by gaelyann on Sept 6, 2016 6:49:59 GMT
Hi everybody, take a look at the picture attached, please. Mr. Barker tells in the rules section of DBA 3.0, that mutual side to side contact and corner-to-corner contact is required to be part of a group. So the element of LH would be part of the group in position "A" and "B". But in the schemata section of DBA 3.0, he tells that mutual side-to-side and front-corner-to- front-corner contact is required to be part of a group!? So the element of LH would only be part of the group in position "B" and not in "A". How do you play it? Cheers, Ronald. only front corner to front corner makes sense to me...
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