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Post by timurilank on Mar 18, 2017 16:52:02 GMT
Here are some more Later Visigothic errors from Book II:-
II/83a Later Visigothic Army (419 AD – 621 AD) add II/72b Alamanni Army (250 AD – 506 AD)
(Army II/72b lists II/83a as an enemy, but II/83a does not mention II/72b)
The II/83a notation in the Alamanni enemy list is an error as this was the Patrician Roman Army list number in the older version. DBA 2.2 did not list these two as mutual enemies as after 406 the Alamanni that migrated in 406 losing their ‘identity’ to become better known as the Suevi. A second group remained in the upper Rhine and Danube region with the Burgundi serving as a ‘buffer’ between them and the Later Visigoths.
Action:
Delete II/83a among the list of II/72b Alamanni enemies.
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Post by timurilank on Mar 18, 2017 16:52:50 GMT
Here are some more Later Visigothic errors from Book II:-
III/5a Austrasian or Burgundian (496 AD – 639 AD) change II/82a to II/83a Later Visigoths (419 AD – 621 AD)
(Army II/83a lists III/5a as an enemy, but III/5a does not mention II/83a, but does mention II/82a.
Looks like II/82a Western Patrican Roman got mentioned by mistake for II/83a Later Visigoths.)
Correct.
Action:
Change II/82a to II/83a among the list of III/5a Austrasian or Burgundian (496 AD – 639 AD) enemies.
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Post by timurilank on Mar 18, 2017 16:53:38 GMT
Here are some more Later Visigothic errors from Book II:-
III/5b Neustrians or Aquitanians (496 AD – 639 AD) change II/82b to II/83b Later Visigothic Army (622 AD – 720 AD)
(Army II/83b lists III/5b as an enemy, but III/5b does not mention II/83b.
Again it looks like II/82b Eastern Patrican Roman got mentioned by mistake for II/83b Later Visigoths.)
As per previous related post.
Action:
Change II/82b to II/83b among the list of III/5a Austrasian or Burgundian (496 AD – 639 AD) enemies.
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Post by timurilank on Mar 18, 2017 16:54:35 GMT
Here are some more Later Visigothic errors from Book II:-
III/17 Maurikian Byzantine (575 AD – 650 AD) add II/83a Later Visigothic Army (419 AD – 621 AD)
(Army II/83a lists III/17 as an enemy, but III/17 does not mention II/83a, only II/83b)
Correct, as this represents the war in Hispania.
Action:
Add II/83a to III/17 Maurikian Byzantine (575 AD – 650 AD)
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Post by timurilank on Mar 18, 2017 16:55:51 GMT
---Later Update (I missed one more Late Visigothic error, and the III/5b error above...hopefully we have them all now)---
II/83a Later Visigothic Army (419 AD – 621 AD) add III/2 Early Lombard Army (489 AD -584 AD)
(Army III/2 lists II/83a as an enemy, but II/83a does not mention III/2)
II/83a were the Patrician Roman of the older version. The list number became the Later Visigothic in 3.0 and unfortunately the list of enemies carried the older data.
Action:
Among the list of enemies for III/2 Early Lombard change II/83a to II/82a Patrician Roman Army 408 AD – 493 AD.
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Post by timurilank on Mar 18, 2017 17:06:45 GMT
I will review the Book III errors you listed on March 15 and post a response by Monday.
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Post by timurilank on Mar 20, 2017 7:15:54 GMT
Here are some more Book III errors (Group #3 on page 5 has been updated):-
III/14c Bulgar Army (804 AD – 1018 AD) add III/30a Magyar Army (650 AD – 895 AD)
(Army III/30a lists III/14c as an enemy, but III/14c doesn’t mention III/30a, only III/30b)
The slight date changes for the Bulgar sub-lists may have been the cause of the omission.
Action:
Add III/30a to III/14c Bulgar Army (804 AD – 1018 AD).
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Post by timurilank on Mar 20, 2017 7:17:03 GMT
Here are some more Book III errors (Group #3 on page 5 has been updated):-
III/26a Serbian Army (627 AD – 1189 AD) add III/30b Magyar Army (896 AD – 1003 AD)
III/26b Croatian Army (627 AD - 1089 AD) add III/30b Magyar Army (896 AD – 1003 AD)
(Army III/30b lists both III/26a and III/26b as enemies, but neither of these mentions III/30b)
This is somewhat of a puzzle as neither III/26a or 26b are listed as enemies for the Magyar in DBA 2.2,
which may indicate new information has been uncovered, but omitted during revision.
Action:
Add III/30b Magyar Army to both III/26a Serbian and III/26b Croatian as an enemy unless someone has information to the contrary.
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Post by timurilank on Mar 20, 2017 7:17:47 GMT
Here are some more Book III errors (Group #3 on page 5 has been updated):-
III/30b Magyar Army (896 AD – 1003 AD) add III/1b Western Slavs (741 AD – 1003 AD)
(Army III/1b lists III/30b as an enemy, but III/30b doesn’t mention III/1b, only III/1c)
Correct, III/1b would also include the conflicts with the Moravian Slavs until overrun in 906.
Action:
Add III/1b Western Slavs (741 AD – 1003 AD) to III/30b Magyar Army (896 AD – 1003 AD).
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Post by timurilank on Mar 20, 2017 7:18:43 GMT
Here are some more Book III errors (Group #3 on page 5 has been updated):-
III/35c Feudal Spanish (1201AD – 1340 AD) remove III/76 Konstantinian Byzantines (1042 AD – 1073 AD)
(Army III/35c lists III/76 as an enemy, but III/76 doesn’t mention III/35c...and the dates don’t match.)
Clearly an error caused by the addition of a new army and armies having their old list number changed (Fanatic Berber and Konstantinian Byzantine).
Action:
Remove III/76 Konstantinian Byzantines (1042 AD – 1073 AD) from III/35c Feudal Spanish.
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Post by timurilank on Mar 20, 2017 7:19:43 GMT
Here are some more Book III errors (Group #3 on page 5 has been updated):-
III/40d Leidang Army (1071 AD – 1280 AD) change III/52 to III/53 East Franks (888 AD – 1106 AD)
(Army III/40d lists III/52 as an enemy, but III/52 only lists III/40b, not III/40d.
However, army III/53 does list III/40d as an enemy.
I think III/40d has III/52 West Franks listed in error for III/53 East Franks.)
Correct. III/52 were the East Franks in the older version.
Action:
Replace III/52 with III/53 East Franks (888 AD – 1106 AD).
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Post by timurilank on Mar 20, 2017 7:20:22 GMT
Here are some more Book III errors (Group #3 on page 5 has been updated):-
III/51 Bagratid Armenian Army (885 AD – 1045 AD) add III/58b Musfirid Army (941 AD – 984 AD)
(Army III/58b lists III/51 as an enemy, but III/51 doesn’t mention III/58b, only III/58a)
Correct. The Musfirid are a new addition to the army lists and missed in the proofreading.
Action:
Add III/58b Musfirid Army (941 AD – 984 AD) to III/51 Bagratid Armenian Army.
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Post by timurilank on Mar 20, 2017 7:21:36 GMT
Here are some more Book III errors (Group #3 on page 5 has been updated):-
III/53 East Frankish Army (888 AD – 1106 AD) remove III/72 Anglo-Danish Army (1014 AD – 1075 AD)
(Army III/53 lists III/72 as an enemy, but III/72 doesn’t mention III/53, only III/52.
Looks like another East/West Frank mix-up.)
DBA 2.2 listed the III/72 as Communal Italian who were mutual enemies for both III/51 West Franks and III/52 East Franks. This was overlooked in the editing.
Action:
Remove III/72 from III/53 East Frankish Army (888 AD – 1106 AD).
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Post by timurilank on Mar 20, 2017 7:25:00 GMT
Here are some more Book III errors (Group #3 on page 5 has been updated):-
III/53 East Frankish Army (888 AD – 1106 AD) add III/77 Papal Italian Army (1049 AD – 1320 AD)
(Army III/77 lists III/53 as an enemy and an ally, but III/53 only lists III/77 as an ally, not as an enemy.)
Henry III or Henry IV (Holy Roman Emperors from 1046 - 1106) may have been at odds with the Pope but not to the point that they took to the field against him. Historically, the HRE needed the Pope’s blessing for military enterprises and therefore should be considered allies and not enemies.
Action:
Suggest removing III/53 East Franks from III/77 Papal Italian Army (1049 AD – 1320 AD) unless anyone else has information that it should remain.
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Post by Haardrada on Mar 20, 2017 9:10:51 GMT
Here are some more Book III errors (Group #3 on page 5 has been updated):-
III/53 East Frankish Army (888 AD – 1106 AD) remove III/72 Anglo-Danish Army (1014 AD – 1075 AD)
(Army III/53 lists III/72 as an enemy, but III/72 doesn’t mention III/53, only III/52.
Looks like another East/West Frank mix-up.)
DBA 2.2 listed the III/72 as Communal Italian who were mutual enemies for both III/51 West Franks and III/52 East Franks. This was overlooked in the editing.
Action:
Remove III/72 from III/53 East Frankish Army (888 AD – 1106 AD).
The Communal Italians were enemies of the Normans and the Empire so maybe should remain as an enemy of III/52 and III/53 ? |
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