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Post by Cromwell on Mar 27, 2022 8:15:39 GMT
Sorry for long time replying, I have been incommunicado out in a boat on the Norfolk Broads.
Condottieri and French Ordanance.
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Post by hoffmannsama on Jun 7, 2022 3:24:43 GMT
Been working on gathering research for some 184 Qiang rebellion armies, and have been looking at various lines to find appropriate figures while refining lists. Other than that still working on my 3k armies, recently ordered more figures from fighting15s and Essex. Too bad little corporal has 30-40 USD for shipping to America or else I would order figures from there too.
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 7, 2022 10:02:12 GMT
Been working on gathering research for some 184 Qiang rebellion armies, and have been looking at various lines to find appropriate figures while refining lists. Other than that still working on my 3k armies, recently ordered more figures from fighting15s and Essex. Too bad little corporal has 30-40 USD for shipping to America or else I would order figures from there too. Hi Hoffmannsama you have chose an interesting army to do with unfortunately few choices from figure ranges. Have you decided which DBA list you are going to use and and have you chosen any figures for your army yet? I opted for three choices of figures to represent Qiang and Ti figures in various armies....for my Hu and Xiongnu I used Essex Skythians as they closely resembled the statue in the Phrygian style caps. For my Former Ch'in I used Outpost Turkommen foot for the tribesmen and Nepalese archers from Kontos miniatures. These were the closest fit I could interpret from descriptions of the tribesmen being proto-tibetan and wearing their hair long. I'd love to hear your ideas and what progress you have made so far?
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 7, 2022 12:58:47 GMT
Been working on gathering research for some 184 Qiang rebellion armies, and have been looking at various lines to find appropriate figures while refining lists. Other than that still working on my 3k armies, recently ordered more figures from fighting15s and Essex. Too bad little corporal has 30-40 USD for shipping to America or else I would order figures from there too. For my Former Ch'in I used Outpost Turkommen foot for the tribesmen and Nepalese archers from Kontos miniatures. These were the closest fit I could interpret from descriptions of the tribesmen being proto-tibetan and wearing their hair long. Never heard of Kontos Miniatures and just did a quick search and could not get any traction of that. Do you have a link to their site, Eddie?
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Post by hoffmannsama on Jun 7, 2022 23:27:37 GMT
Been working on gathering research for some 184 Qiang rebellion armies, and have been looking at various lines to find appropriate figures while refining lists. Other than that still working on my 3k armies, recently ordered more figures from fighting15s and Essex. Too bad little corporal has 30-40 USD for shipping to America or else I would order figures from there too. Hi Hoffmannsama you have chose an interesting army to do with unfortunately few choices from figure ranges. Have you decided which DBA list you are going to use and and have you chosen any figures for your army yet? I opted for three choices of figures to represent Qiang and Ti figures in various armies....for my Hu and Xiongnu I used Essex Skythians as they closely resembled the statue in the Phrygian style caps. For my Former Ch'in I used Outpost Turkommen foot for the tribesmen and Nepalese archers from Kontos miniatures. These were the closest fit I could interpret from descriptions of the tribesmen being proto-tibetan and wearing their hair long. I'd love to hear your ideas and what progress you have made so far? Sythian are a good choice for Xiongnu and Hu, I would really like to see these Nepalese Archers, they might be what I'm looking for. Coincidentally I almost looked at some turkomen foot too for tribesmen, need to go back and follow through with that. After looking at the list for the Qiang and Ti, they didn't really do a good job representing the Qiang during the later Han and 3 kingdoms era, so I just started making my own. The list so far, 1 x General (Cv or Lh or 3Kn), 1 x Qiang Cavalry (Cv), 3 x Qiang Tribal Horse (Lh), 2 x Qiang Yi Cong and/or Gui Cong Tribal Horse (Lh), 1 x Qiang Yi Cong (4Ax or 7Hd) or Gui Cong (3Wb or 3Pk or 3Ax), 3 x Qiang Archers (3Bw or 3Ax or Ps), 1 x Rebelling Han Colonists (7Hd) or Gui Cong (3Wb or 3Pk or 3Ax). From what I've been reading, the Qiang tribes get kicked out of their nice farm lands by the Han, and "distributed" into the mountain fringes of the northern and eastern Tibetan plateau forcing them to become a mostly nomadic society with some really feared Lh cavalry. Although towards the end of the Han, Qiang have been allowed to settle amongst the Han colonists, and now are enlisted in the Han frontier armies, usually in two different forms. Yi Cong, Qiang auxiliaries with Han cmdrs, and Gui Cong Qiang auxiliaries with Qiang cmdrs. I decided to represent this in the army list by providing different elements for a Qiang unit that had a half Han commander like Han Sui, who might have drilled his men in a Han style, while a Qiang led unit may have stayed more true to their own fighting styles. Qiang rebellions during the later Han usually included the local Han population too, this is because of corrupt officials known as the Qiang Lieutenant. These officials would buy their government positions for so much money, that they were forced to tax heavily and starve the Qiang and Han populations to recover some of their money spent on their own position. This was a recipe for disaster, and numerous rebellions cropped up not surprisingly. What's interesting about the Qiang, they didn't seem to appoint kings to lead armies, but rather strong individuals. So you could have a half Qiang, half Han Chinese come to lead Qiang rebellions, like with Han Sui starting off in the Han military and ended up leading the Qiang rebellion with Ma Chao. For infantry figures, I was really inspired by the Nan Chao Eureka line and the Xiongnu Lurkio line, but still have some missing holes like armoured archers. For foot, I would use a mixture of Nan Chao Spearmen, Nan Chao swordsmen, Essex's Ch'in Chinese light spearmen, and Lurkio's Eastern Nomad Infantry. And for bows, I would use the Nan Chao bowmen, but would like to find some armoured archers too. The hairstyles of the Nan Chao figures and the armour of the Lurkio figures match the references below.    ![]()    For BUA's or Camps, I was looking at making a simplified Tibetan mountain fortress villages called a 寨. ![]()   Sorry that became a little long winded, I get really wrapped up in all this stuff. Let me know if you have any good suggestions on armoured archers or anything about those Nepalese archers
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 8, 2022 11:31:13 GMT
That is quite a comprehensive approach and very inspiring.You clearly have a love for the subject and you have researched it very well....that's all part of the fun.I like finding first hand accounts of the history and researching costumes and map references...it adds so much more.
I had thought of mixing some of the figures in the elements if you could get away with it but your well ahead of me. The armoured infantry I have found problematic for the Quiang and think the using armoured Chinese figures was the best solution as they would have access to Chinese equipment.The Lurkio armoured archers of the 3K may be suitable for your armoured archers but that is your down to your personal choice.
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Post by Antoine on Jul 17, 2022 21:34:44 GMT
Hello gents, After a long time with no new DBA project (these past 2 years), I’m in the mood for some Roman civil war project.
At first I intended to paint 2 Marian II/49 armies (Caesar vs Pompey or Octavian vs Marc Anthony). I looked towards Forged in battle minis and Baueda. But I saw the PSC Late Roman army starter box (Mortem and gloriam), and it contains enough for assembling both II/78a and b armies (for a very reasonable price).
So I may go for late imperial Rome, and it will change from my mainly « Punic war era » armies 😁
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Post by Baldie on Jul 18, 2022 9:36:30 GMT
Good luck with the project though in my mind only the Asterix EIR are true Roman's. I have not had a DBA project on go for ages either but have finally started.
Re basing some Greek types I picked up, great figs but spears were based in 3's not 4's and it never sat right. Doing some in 4's and leaving some in 3"s as they will be medium spear for Lart.
Then the pikes have started, 4 bases ready for basing materials and another 11 to go as they are destined for Lart and HC as well
All ar Xyston figures which I do love
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Post by carll on Jul 19, 2022 16:51:32 GMT
WOW Hoffsmannama, Great images. Great plans. I am a fan of most things Chinese history and enemies. I think I might get carried away if I followed your example: "For BUA's or Camps, I was looking at making a simplified Tibetan mountain fortress villages called a 寨." They look pretty mighty mountain forts. Are these 15mm figures you have painted? I suppose a 10mm (roughly speaking) mountain fortress might fit onto a DBA camp base; while the allowance for BUA is a lot bigger so you could probably model a 28mm scale mountain retreat on the maximum base area (tabletop wise). I look forward to that bit of model making. Might inspire me to similar for my 15mm Sung / Song or 25mm Han armies!! CarlL
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Post by hoffmannsama on Jul 24, 2022 19:48:57 GMT
WOW Hoffsmannama, Great images. Great plans. I am a fan of most things Chinese history and enemies. I think I might get carried away if I followed your example: "For BUA's or Camps, I was looking at making a simplified Tibetan mountain fortress villages called a 寨." They look pretty mighty mountain forts. Are these 15mm figures you have painted? I suppose a 10mm (roughly speaking) mountain fortress might fit onto a DBA camp base; while the allowance for BUA is a lot bigger so you could probably model a 28mm scale mountain retreat on the maximum base area (tabletop wise). I look forward to that bit of model making. Might inspire me to similar for my 15mm Sung / Song or 25mm Han armies!! CarlL Thanks, yeah it will be a 15mm project I will be painting, been ordering figures for it, but also trying to finish my 3 kingdoms stuff before moving on to the Qiang. Would be excited to see a 25mm Han army, what manufacture would you use for Han Chinese? Currently working on some 3 kingdoms flags, might have a Han flag you could use (after some resizing ofcourse) after I'm finished with the flags. As for the Tibet mountain fortress, if I can't fit it onto a camp base, I might go for a BUA, and if I still wanted to use a camp, I would just do some nomadic yurts.
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Post by Baldie on Aug 7, 2022 6:48:04 GMT
Running off a small force of Orcs for a MESBG campaign we have started.
Once done the three next on list are
Finish of my Greek basing Finish the other stands of pike, mainly for my Lart forces Finish off my EIR army, they have waited a very long time
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Post by martin on Aug 7, 2022 7:18:53 GMT
Running off a small force of Orcs for a MESBG campaign we have started. what’s MESBG, baldie ?
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Post by martin on Aug 7, 2022 7:22:34 GMT
My projects atm are mostly non-DBA/Hott…SYW/Imagi-nations top ups, a Lion Rampant retinue or two in 15mm, some mules for the baggage train, an ECW Scots army, a few extra colonials, some LIR horse archers to add to II/78b and assorted terrain bitz-n-pieces.
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Post by Baldie on Aug 7, 2022 8:56:12 GMT
Running off a small force of Orcs for a MESBG campaign we have started. what’s MESBG, baldie ? Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game
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Post by Baldie on Aug 7, 2022 14:15:47 GMT
So far the strategy seems to be to run away from the dead of dunharrow
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