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Post by paulhannah on Jan 26, 2019 23:01:05 GMT
Back in 2.2 days, I had a III/16 Khazar army. I assembled it from spare parts from various ranges. As such, I was never satisfied with it, other than my scratch-built "Khagenwagen". I would like to build up an entirely new Khazar army around my Khagenwagen. Ideally, it should be a single range of figures. But which manufacturer? I like the Essex Khazar cavalry from their Asiatic Nomads range, but I'm not thrilled with the available foot types. (The suitable Horde figure is no longer available from Essex, as per an earlier thread.) Who knows anything about Gladiator Miniatures' range of Asiatic Nomads? Unfortunately, only the mounted figures are shown, and they're fuzzy, at best. Would they be appropriate for Khazars? Suggestions or recommendations welcomed. |
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Post by Haardrada on Jan 27, 2019 0:49:04 GMT
I cant remember where I saw images of the Gladiator figures Paul but I remember there were 2 poses of Javelinman, one in a fur hat and one bare headed.
I once read that the Khazar foot would almost look arab-like in appearance and considered using the Outpost Adath Spearmen(from their islamic crusader range)as the Horde figures for a Khazar army.
I also like the Khazar Cavalry from Essex...they make great Hsuing Nu nobles in lamellar armour.
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Post by elliesdad on Jan 27, 2019 8:36:11 GMT
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Post by paulhannah on Jan 27, 2019 15:17:27 GMT
Thanks for the tip, Geoff. Book's on its way. That will either help me make some more informed decisions, or just completely confound me. (Grins.)
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Post by elliesdad on Jan 27, 2019 20:22:44 GMT
According to Amazon, my copy has been "on it's way" for the last couple of days... No sign yet though.
Doubtless it will arrive tomorrow whilst I'm out at work.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by elliesdad on Jan 29, 2019 18:57:56 GMT
The Osprey book arrived yesterday & I've now had a quick skim through.
The plates are absolutely first rate and I'm sure the book will inspire many an army.
Geoff
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Post by paulhannah on Jan 29, 2019 19:49:48 GMT
The Osprey book arrived yesterday & I've now had a quick skim through. The plates are absolutely first rate and I'm sure the book will inspire many an army. Good to hear. The Authorities say my copy will arrive on Thursday, just in time for the start of my "weekend". |
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Post by elliesdad on Jan 29, 2019 21:31:48 GMT
The Osprey book arrived yesterday & I've now had a quick skim through. The plates are absolutely first rate and I'm sure the book will inspire many an army. Good to hear. The Authorities say my copy will arrive on Thursday, just in time for the start of my "weekend". Congratulations Paul. I'm now semi-retired and just work the first half of the week. The good news is that my "weekend" starts at 12:00 noon on Wednesday. Geoff |
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Post by paulhannah on Jan 31, 2019 23:15:19 GMT
Yes, a good survey history, and even better pics, in the new Osprey book on the Khazars. Definitely more colorful than I had imagined. But, d'uh...Silk Road. Of course! Could be very fun to paint...if I can find the right figures. (Oh, and I now almost never mix ranges within an army, so it's gotta be all one range that works plausibly.) Several outfits' Asiatic Horde ranges do the cavalry just fine. If I went with Essex, a mix of mostly HSA9 and a few HSA8 for the Hordes might work, but they're just so...meh. And if I can't find the right figures for the Hordes, what's the point, right? I'm revisiting Khurasan Miniatures' " Khurasanian" range. Those figures seem pretty close to the impression I get of the Khazars from the new book. Those Spearmen could be very Horde-like. I just wouldn't use any of those in turbans. -- Whaddayou think, Geoff? |
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Post by elliesdad on Feb 2, 2019 16:24:53 GMT
Yes, a good survey history, and even better pics, in the new Osprey book on the Khazars. Definitely more colorful than I had imagined. But, d'uh...Silk Road. Of course! Could be very fun to paint...if I can find the right figures. (Oh, and I now almost never mix ranges within an army, so it's gotta be all one range that works plausibly.) Several outfits' Asiatic Horde ranges do the cavalry just fine. If I went with Essex, a mix of mostly HSA9 and a few HSA8 for the Hordes might work, but they're just so...meh. And if I can't find the right figures for the Hordes, what's the point, right? I'm revisiting Khurasan Miniatures' " Khurasanian" range. Those figures seem pretty close to the impression I get of the Khazars from the new book. Those Spearmen could be very Horde-like. I just wouldn't use any of those in turbans. -- Whaddayou think, Geoff? Paul - I suspect I would probably go with the Essex Slavic infantry. But, then again, if they don't do the business as far as you are concerned then that's all that really matters. For hordes I would prefer using as wide a variety of figures as possible - even if that is by mixing figures from different manufacturers. I seem to recall Jacobite Miniatures did some lovely figures which could probably be pressed into service. Of course, whether we'll ever see them back in production is another matter. Could you convert any turban wearing figures into simply wearing the generic Eastern European "fur hat"? See www.essexminiatures.co.uk/collections/15mm-ancient-asiastic-hordes/products/hsa17Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by elliesdad on Feb 2, 2019 16:29:03 GMT
I also see the new Osprey book has some lovely illustrations of various strongholds/defences which may be suitable inspiration for the skilled modeller (so not me then).
Geoff
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Post by Les1964 on Feb 2, 2019 16:50:56 GMT
Would these be any use for the Hordes ? SA7 Sassanid Persian: Levy Spearman  |
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Post by elliesdad on Feb 3, 2019 10:33:52 GMT
Would these be any use for the Hordes ? SA7 Sassanid Persian: Levy Spearman Yes, these figures might be suitable for the Khazars, but the distinctive hat would need to be disguised (add milliput to try re-shape into a fur hat?). I think the Sassanid spearmen above - with their big beards and felt hats - are much, much more suitable as Elbonians. And surely there's no-one who doesn't like Dilbert. Geoff |
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Post by goragrad on Feb 3, 2019 13:31:19 GMT
Will definitely have to get my hands on a copy of the Osprey - I have the Essex and Minifig horse and will be looking for ideas on infantry to go with them. Outpost has some figures in their Central Asian Turk line that might do for the horde - www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/images/Web%20Photos/turks/cat1p.jpgwww.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/images/Web%20Photos/turks/cat2p.jpgUnfortunately for someone wanting to keep to one source for figures, Outpost doesn't have a heavy horse archer in that line. Interestingly on the Sassanid felt 'domes' there was a post on a blog I saw some time ago that that made the case that that hat came form a depiction of a Sassanid priest and that the cavalry and others were actually wearing a helmet that looked similar from the side. Not sure what archeological or other evidence the post was based on. |
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Post by paulhannah on Feb 5, 2019 14:39:59 GMT
Yes, Sassanid Levy Spearmen are, in my mind, the perfect poster-boys of Hordes. But, I'm with Geoff here; their "Elbonian", domed hats, accurate or not, are just so quintessentially Sassanid that I could never use for anything else (except maybe CACS Sogdians).
The more I looked at Khurasan's Khorasanian range, the more I felt that was the look I wanted for a rebuilt Khazar army. Order placed. The Khagenwagen will ride again.
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