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Post by peteduckworth on Dec 12, 2017 18:32:08 GMT
But I am often wrong!
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Post by peteduckworth on Dec 12, 2017 17:45:44 GMT
First can we agree that a rear "contact" on the supporting element would inflict the -1 (for rear contact)? This leaves only whether a side to side contact counts as "contact". Of course by the dictionary definition they are in contact (they touch). So if we say they are not in "contact" we must consult Mr. Humpty Dumpty. In other words the word "contact" now has to have a game meaning (only) and we cannot use it for its normal dictionary definition within the rules least we create confusion. Sometimes you need to do this but it should be done with clarity and caution. The effect would be to merely cancel the +1 for support as the supports are bickering with the side contactors. This seems the better real world result. TomT Yes side or rear contact would inflict -1 (in line with Figure 20a example 2) However if we accept "contact" to include side to side "overlap" then the section about Moving Into Contact on page 9 makes no sense. Overlap and Contact are used as contrasting terms eg from first paragraph " ...with no enemy in contact to its front, but in overlap..." I conclude from this that overlaping an edge is not contact and so the -1 does not count against a second rank. Happily this avoids the silliness of the situation aluded to by ronisan where the presence of a double overlapped second rank would make the front rank warband fight worse! When I've seen this come up in the UK competitions Its been played that overlap support of a second rank does not apply. I believe we got it right.
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Post by peteduckworth on Nov 27, 2017 23:22:24 GMT
Pete: I like your point system. Over here we use 20pts for a win + Elements killed - Elements lost. Loser gets Elements killed. Draw both sides just get Elements killed. Rather harsh so a 4-3 becomes: 21 for winner, 3 for loser. You have a lot of cases for Draws - is this happening on your tournament circuit? We do seem to have that many draws. So a 4-3 win is a 5-0 for winner - loser? Nothing for close games? TomT Thanks. Draws are more common than we would like. We can only fit 6 rounds be restricting game length to 50 minutes so it is tight. It can be very frustrating to get a draw and I try not to reward players for drawing games. Some argue that deliberate draws are entirely legitimate and they are certainly significant historically. Last year our system gave players got more points for losing than for drawing but its not a popular system with the majority of players, hence the change. Only the tie breaker looks at element losses. I suspect that a 5-0 result is either an army or player experience mis-match. Either that or astounding luck. I'm not moved to strongly reward either of those... At the end of the day any scoring system is arbitrary. I just need a clear, easy to record system that I can administer with a minimum of fuss
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Post by peteduckworth on Nov 21, 2017 17:03:30 GMT
I have listened to the feedback on our points system so this time we will be using the more conventional:
5 points – Won game 3 points – Drew game but destroyed more element equivalents than opponent 2 points – Drew game on equal element equivalents 1 points – Drew game but destroyed fewer element equivalents than opponent 0 points – Lost game
I hope that makes sense.
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Post by peteduckworth on Nov 21, 2017 16:58:54 GMT
Looking good. What's the ruling for allies ? Excellent if you can make it Arnaud. Allies are fine but bear in mind its set in Britain in C13 so nothing out of period or place. eg no Medieval French allies for the Welsh (too late) or Crusader allies for the French (wrong place). I hope that's clear but if in doubt just ask.
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Post by peteduckworth on Nov 20, 2017 19:47:31 GMT
I see Pete listed them above. Simon Oops! Don't worry - its such a rarity for me to get it right its an understandable question. I think in reality they were more of an allied contingent but as the general was French...
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Post by peteduckworth on Nov 19, 2017 9:11:34 GMT
My diary, too. A fine theme. Rock-Paper-Scissors par excellence. Pete, I assume you'll be using your newly painted Donnington Miniatures Norse Irish Martin Given the swapping armies format it really don't think that it matters much what army we take. Given that the Norse Irish have yet to be used I think they will be an excellent choice.
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Post by peteduckworth on Nov 18, 2017 16:33:16 GMT
I have now re-bokked the venue booked for Sunday 18th February Theme - 13th Century Britain. If you don’t have a valid 3.0 army - no problem as loan armies are available. I think the full list of possibles is: - III/19c North Welsh Army 1150-1420 AD
- III/40b Viking Army 850-1280 AD
- III/46 Norse Irish 842 AD-1300 AD
- III/78 Scots Isles & Highlands 1050 AD - 1493 AD
- IV/4b Feudal French 1200-1330 AD
- IV/16 Scots Common 1124 AD - 1513 AD
- IV/21a Anglo-Irish 1172-1299 AD
- IV/23 Feudal English
Mercian DBA is part of the SOA UK DBA League CV7 8HX Keresley Community Library Bennetts Road Keresley End Coventry NB it’s a long way to the north of Coventry - handy for the M6 though. Try to be there ready for the 10:30 am start Entry fee £5 to cover venue cost. There are no handy pubs or shops so you may wish to bring refreshments. NB the library is an alcohol free zone. We will attempt 6 rounds. For the first round players will use their own army in alternate last rounds players use their opponent's army. Bring a clear, spare list to help them. Also bring a preset valid set of terrain pieces for use with your army by yourself and by your opponents. There will be the usual free bring and buy. Questions or more info contact me 07748382670 htrowkcud@gmail.com Pete D
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Post by peteduckworth on Nov 12, 2017 23:42:32 GMT
Thanks Martin for another excellent days gaming. Huge fun and a really challenging format.
Thanks also to everyone who played. A lovely selection of armies and lots of fun.
Both me and my army in 8th position it must mean something...
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Post by peteduckworth on Nov 10, 2017 12:05:48 GMT
Sadly Neil Mason can no longer make it
However on the bright side I will be with Kevin Casey for a bijou but perfectly formed Coventry contingent
NB I may need to rush off at the end as I'm going to a concert in Birmingham in the evening. All out charge from me in the last game!
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Post by peteduckworth on Sept 15, 2017 9:31:48 GMT
If your ever up here there is always Nevilles Cross...The Bridge where King David II was captured still stands.😊 As it happens I'm planning to move to Newcastle next year (housebuying/selling gods willing!) so a definite YES to a Neviile's Cross outing. Are you based in Durham? One of the down sides to the potential move for me is the apparent lack of DBA/HOTT played in the North East. I will need to paint some C14 knights some of my WOR archers would do but I will need to bridge my current gap between 13th and 15th century nobility
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Post by peteduckworth on Sept 15, 2017 9:19:58 GMT
This sounds great. Can't really do that with DBA on this continent, though. You say that but the wonderful Terry Webb (HOTT player and organiser who often posts here) is organising a Stones River re-fight (using a DBN variant) for my upcoming USA trip which will include Nashville. Watch this space. So it can be done - sort of. Really looking forward to some stateside gaming. Failing that Tony make a trip over to the UK visit me and we will sort it. I am very fortunate (living in the UK Midlands to have dozens of battles in a 90 minute drive.
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Post by peteduckworth on Sept 14, 2017 19:17:32 GMT
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Post by peteduckworth on Sept 11, 2017 8:55:54 GMT
Thanks Paul that's helpful. I will see if I can source some appropriate hebrew script and drop the dots.
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Post by peteduckworth on Sept 10, 2017 16:56:38 GMT
I am finally getting round to painting a Maccabean II/43 army some of which will morph into a Revolt II/59 army.
I have some Xyston command figures (lovely but huge) carrying massive banners. These are oblongs held up from a short edge with side ribbons down the long edges.
I have a strong memory that I had seen these covered with Aramaic/Hebrew lettering in a reference book (probably WRGs Armies and enemies....) However to my utter confusion I can't find these anywhere neither in my books nor on-line. Can anyone point me at a relevant image to help my current painting challenge?
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