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Post by BrianNZ on Jan 12, 2017 6:27:59 GMT
Thanks Tony and Bob for your explanations. Just to push the subject a bit further - does this mean an element can recoil through a group. I'm thinking here of the recoil passing through the junction of two elements as in the example where element 'A' is recoiling through the junction of elements 'X' & 'Y' AAAA XXXXYYYY and ends as XXXXYYYY AAAA Also if the above is possible does it matter if elements 'X' & 'Y' have different base depths ? Sorry for the complication - just trying to consider all the possible circumstances B. Also what happens if AAAA is a Mounted element , XXXX is a Psiloi element and YYYY is a Pike element, which the Mounted element cannot interpenetrate ? Does it slide sideways and interpentrate the Psiloi ?
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Post by BrianNZ on Jan 3, 2017 8:15:13 GMT
All - if you have two littoral armies say Carthaginian and Syracuase, and the defender lands an element(s), and does not move it / them, can then the attacker who lands, land elements that ZOC the just landed defenders or with configurations where they can actually land in contact and straight into combat....which seems feasible. Do you mean that the Invader's landing force is placed behind the Defender's elements and thus still partly in the water ? This , if allowed, would mean that the Defender's elements turn to face and a combat is fought with the Invader's ( rather wet ) elements.
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Post by BrianNZ on Dec 9, 2016 4:22:02 GMT
Thanks Joe.
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Post by BrianNZ on Dec 8, 2016 18:30:49 GMT
Diagram 12a Conforming: page 21
A situation arose at our Club yesterday when a group contacted the corner of another group as in diagram 1, LH A1 contacting Bw X.
Imagine LH A1 being two elements wide ( one element on its right ) and Bw X three elements wide.( two elements on its right )
Would the LH group conform as depicted in the diagrams 2 & 3 ?
i.e. Diagram 3 would show LH A3 grouped with another LH on its right overlapping the Bw X, and Bw X grouped with two Bw overlapping LH A3.
Hope this makes sense
Thanks Brian
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Post by BrianNZ on Nov 29, 2016 22:25:56 GMT
Thanks Joe, makes sense. Stops as no deviation allowed when retiring from a TZ. Page 18, Diagram 7a, Threat Zone 6 says it all.
Keith I could not work it out from the FAQ, could not see a question on interpenetration when in a TZ
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Post by BrianNZ on Nov 29, 2016 18:49:26 GMT
It does indeed Joe, many thanks. Some of these contact situations are rather confusing at times.
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Post by BrianNZ on Nov 27, 2016 8:46:33 GMT
Fig 13a page 22.
If the Auxilia X had a few friends adjacent and was therefore part of a group,
Would it leave its group and slide sideways to line up with Blade A ?
Would the entire group slide sideways with Auxilia X ?
Also Fig 13e page 23,
If Pikes Y&Z had Pikes V&W adjacent ( behind Spear X ) would all 4 pikes slide sideways to conform to Blades B ?
Thanks Brian
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Post by BrianNZ on Nov 27, 2016 8:24:06 GMT
Elements moving out of an enemy threat zone may only move directly to their rear. They cannot change orientation. Joe Collins Joe we had a situation today where an element of Psiloi was moving directly to its rear out of the TZ of an enemy element. The Psiloi interpenetrated a friendly Cavalry element which was offset by half a base width. The rules on Interpenetrating Troops states " (a) it starts at least partly directly in front and ends the move lined up behind...." Where does the Psiloi end up ? In line with the enemy element that was exerting the TZ ? In line with the friendly offset Cavalry element ? Thanks Brian
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Post by BrianNZ on Oct 17, 2016 1:31:38 GMT
Why not the Elephant as well, Joe? Both the chariot & elephant are destroyed, "Destruction is immediate" refers to both elements. "If a friendly or enemy element prevents further movement by fleeing Elephants or Scythed Chariots, both elements are destroyed."
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Post by BrianNZ on Oct 16, 2016 19:23:11 GMT
Some questions on Scythed Chariots that arose recently
Combat Outcome : Rules state " Flee if shot at unless at least partly on their rear edge."
Fleeing : Rules state " It stops before completing its move and lines up if its front edge ( or front corner only ) contacts any of ....(b) friends it cannot pass through"
"If a friendly or enemy element prevents further movement by fleeing Elephants or Scythed Chariots, both elements are destroyed."
A Scythed Chariot was shot at by a Bw to its front receiving a Flee result, it turned 180 degrees and fled. The Flee Move could not be completed as it contacted a friendly elephant.
Not sure if the above flee rule re "both elements are destroyed" comes into effect immediately or next move if no movement is available after another Flee result ?
Another Scythed Chariot scored less but not doubled when shot at by a Bw whose front edge was partly to the rear of the chariot.
Does the chariot remain stationary ? Is the chariot destroyed ?
All replies appreciated
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Post by BrianNZ on Oct 7, 2016 1:21:03 GMT
Thanks for the piccie Daz. IMO your 4 Ax sallies out and conforms to the enemy 3 Ax as there appears to be space available. The combat factor of your 4Ax would be 3 as you have sallied out and are no longer a garrison. The tricky bit is what happens if your 4Ax is recoiled, the Rules state " A recoiling or pushed back element whose rear edge or rear corner meets terrain it cannot enter, a battlefield edge, friends it cannot pass through or push back, enemy or a city, fort or camp ends its move there. An element already in such contact with any of these cannot recoil and is destroyed instead" Bit of a conundrum as there are conflicting options, your element can enter the terrain by the gate as the gate could be counted as directly behind. Your element is already in contact with the fort so therefore cannot recoil and is destroyed. IMO your element would recoil through the gate. Some would argue that the gate would have been closed after your element sallied so you would be destroyed. Help please Joe.........
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Post by BrianNZ on Oct 6, 2016 22:43:40 GMT
Page 6 states " Plough is Good Going" so yes you need some other terrain that qualifies as bad/rough or water Note that one area terrain feature can be minimum size so that could be the compulsory bad/rough bit.
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Post by BrianNZ on Oct 6, 2016 18:59:30 GMT
Situation: Gate leaving Fort/BUA is in an enemy elements Threat Zone and I cannot fully clear the Fort/BUA to contact. Daz Daz can you post a picture or diagram of the situation please as it would help very much to understand the ramifications of the Fort's TZ on the enemy element. If your element sallies from the fort gate and can't conform ( rules state "If conforming to a front edge by contactors is prevented...., contacted elements or groups must conform or fight as if in full contact and overlapped" ) then the enemy conforms to you.
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Post by BrianNZ on Oct 6, 2016 11:02:35 GMT
I am assuming that the Fort/BUA is garrisoned by a foot element, not Denizens.
Daz the Rules state " At the start of the game a city can and a fort must be garrisoned by 1 foot element, placed near its centre but representing defenders manning its perimeter."
Your element can't be a garrison as it has sallied partly out of the gate and away from the centre of the fort so the +4 Tactical Factor would not apply. IMO
Rules state " +4 If garrisoning a city or fort........"
Rules state " If its total is half or less than half that of its opponent: Destroyed if defenders of a city, fort or camp."
Your element is a Defender that has Sallied. IMO
To sum up, if an enemy element has moved into the TZ of the fort's gate but not assaulted the fort, thus leaving a gap, then the garrison can sally into contact using its standard combat factor only ( no Tactical Factors added ) against the enemy element and would be destroyed if its total was less than half that of its opponent. Normal recoil rules would apply.
note only Denizens & Camp Followers would be quick killed if sallied.
How does that sound ?
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Rivers
Sept 26, 2016 18:32:03 GMT
Post by BrianNZ on Sept 26, 2016 18:32:03 GMT
Q: If I had moved more than 1 BW to the river and, after testing, discovered the river restricts movement to 1BW, has the element entered the river?
Does the act of testing put you into the river, or do you only enter the river if you test and have enough movement to do so ?
Testing does mean that you have to enter the river if you are able to (ie have movement left) ?
As I understand it nobody who has entered a river is obliged to complete the crossing next turn - but they are fixed with regard to direction (forward or backward) until they clear the river completely ?
All comments appreciated. Thanks
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