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Post by phippsy on Oct 16, 2016 6:38:26 GMT
As a relatively new DBA3.0 player I am looking for a few clarifications on threat zones. These are;
1. When an element (or group?) wants to or moves into an enemy threat zone does it have to in fact end up parallel to the enemy's front - lined up or not lined up but still parallel? The descriptions around Figure 7 on page 18 suggest this, and that one cannot leave a disrupting Psiloi at an angle in a threat zone in front of a line of spears say, and;
2. On the same figure under 7a point 6 I understand that the element can move out of the threat zone 'straight backwards, this makes sense. What if though an element approaches an enemy element from say the rear flank and stops within 1 base width. This puts the enemy in a threat zone. But in that enemy's turn how can that element move out of the threat zone 'straight backwards'? Straight backwards would be towards the element producing the Threat Zone? Clearly a good tactic.
I have been playing this that the affected element can move directly away from the front of the element producing the threat zone, ie on a line perpendicular to the attacking element. The element moving out of the Threat Zone can end up in any orientation and distance under the normal rule constraints - is this correct?
Thanks - Phippsy
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Post by lkmjbc on Oct 16, 2016 13:31:11 GMT
In answer to your question #1
No, you don't have to end up lined up. You must however move toward the enemy generating the threat zone. This is generally played as the moving element's front edge must move towards (closer to) the enemy's front edge.
Can you move directly perpendicular to an enemy generating a threat zone in order to "threat zone" another element on the other side? No, but moving towards the threat zoning element with your front edge and stopping short will often accomplish this goal.
This is difficult to express with just text.
Examine diagram 7a. Warband B may not cant itself to "threat zone" Spear X. Doing so would mean that the entire front edge isn't advancing to contact into Spear Y.
Warband A however could advance a very small amount... entering the threat zone generated by Spear X... and stop. It would generate a threat zone that would affect both Spear X and Spear Y.
Diagram 7B is nice primer on these game mechanics.
2. You have been playing this incorrectly. The element must first turn to face. The next turn it may move to its rear. Elements moving out of an enemy threat zone may only move directly to their rear. They cannot change orientation.
Hope this helps...
Joe Collins
Joe Collins
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Post by phippsy on Oct 16, 2016 18:34:53 GMT
Joe - really appreciated and makes complete sense. Thanks Phippsy...
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Post by BrianNZ on Nov 27, 2016 8:24:06 GMT
Elements moving out of an enemy threat zone may only move directly to their rear. They cannot change orientation. Joe Collins Joe we had a situation today where an element of Psiloi was moving directly to its rear out of the TZ of an enemy element. The Psiloi interpenetrated a friendly Cavalry element which was offset by half a base width. The rules on Interpenetrating Troops states " (a) it starts at least partly directly in front and ends the move lined up behind...." Where does the Psiloi end up ? In line with the enemy element that was exerting the TZ ? In line with the friendly offset Cavalry element ? Thanks Brian
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Post by twrnz on Nov 29, 2016 0:42:57 GMT
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Post by lkmjbc on Nov 29, 2016 0:52:01 GMT
Yes, what Keith said! To answer your question... It pushes back the elements behind it or stops. It can't interpenetrate as it can't move to either side to line up... It must move only to its rear. Morale (nyuck, nyuck) of the story... have your stuff lined up. Joe Collins
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Post by BrianNZ on Nov 29, 2016 22:25:56 GMT
Thanks Joe, makes sense. Stops as no deviation allowed when retiring from a TZ. Page 18, Diagram 7a, Threat Zone 6 says it all.
Keith I could not work it out from the FAQ, could not see a question on interpenetration when in a TZ
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Post by twrnz on Dec 1, 2016 10:03:39 GMT
There are two different situations when a stand is in an enemy threat zone.
A voluntary move and an outcome move based on a recoil. In the case of a voluntary move interpenetration is very limited. A recoil from combat allows the stand to line up behind the stand it interpenetrates, even if it was not lined up at the start. The FAQ explains how to measure the second. That said the diagrams and text of the rules must be read carefully.
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Post by lkmjbc on Dec 1, 2016 23:17:27 GMT
There are two different situations when a stand is in an enemy threat zone. A voluntary move and an outcome move based on a recoil. In the case of a voluntary move interpenetration is very limited. A recoil from combat allows the stand to line up behind the stand it interpenetrates, even if it was not lined up at the start. The FAQ explains how to measure the second. That said the diagrams and text of the rules must be read carefully. Keith: I may have spoken too quickly on this. I will review this tonight. I think you are correct and that I am wrong. Joe Collins
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Post by lkmjbc on Dec 4, 2016 23:50:31 GMT
There are two different situations when a stand is in an enemy threat zone. A voluntary move and an outcome move based on a recoil. In the case of a voluntary move interpenetration is very limited. A recoil from combat allows the stand to line up behind the stand it interpenetrates, even if it was not lined up at the start. The FAQ explains how to measure the second. That said the diagrams and text of the rules must be read carefully. Keith: I may have spoken too quickly on this. I will review this tonight. I think you are correct and that I am wrong. Joe Collins Oops... Brian, I was wrong. Keith has it. Outcome moves are not subject to threat zones. The Ps recoils through the elements and lines up. Joe Collins
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