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Post by colinthehittite on Jun 5, 2017 11:50:33 GMT
Just emerged from the wilderness and can now add a little to this thread. The Zanj Revolt army is surprisingly strong as a DBA fighting force and great fun to play with. It is also easy to build, particularly if you have lots of figures left over from other projects. The army in the photo was made entirely from left over figures. As there are few illustrations of Zanj warriors I turned to pictures of Abbasid warriors and imagined what the Zanj would look like with various captured pieces of clothing and equipment.This means you can use anything from loin cloth clad Biblicals to fully armoured later Muslims. I've used figures from Essex, Donnington, Museum, Two Dragons, Outpost, Magister Militum, Navwar and probably some others - whatever was in the box and would look right. Skin colours ranged from black African to tanned Arab. The artillery piece was plastic in square cross section and balsa. The horde figures were queried above - I imagined them as agricultural workers, so used anything in a loin cloth or tunic and trousers. I also made some sickles from hammered brass rod. There is a Zanj banner on the old Fanaticus site which is easily downloaded. Hope that's of interest.
Colin
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Post by timurilank on Jun 5, 2017 12:20:42 GMT
Just emerged from the wilderness and can now add a little to this thread. The Zanj Revolt army is surprisingly strong as a DBA fighting force and great fun to play with. It is also easy to build, particularly if you have lots of figures left over from other projects. The army in the photo was made entirely from left over figures. As there are few illustrations of Zanj warriors I turned to pictures of Abbasid warriors and imagined what the Zanj would look like with various captured pieces of clothing and equipment.This means you can use anything from loin cloth clad Biblicals to fully armoured later Muslims. I've used figures from Essex, Donnington, Museum, Two Dragons, Outpost, Magister Militum, Navwar and probably some others - whatever was in the box and would look right. Skin colours ranged from black African to tanned Arab. The artillery piece was plastic in square cross section and balsa. The horde figures were queried above - I imagined them as agricultural workers, so used anything in a loin cloth or tunic and trousers. I also made some sickles from hammered brass rod. There is a Zanj banner on the old Fanaticus site which is easily downloaded. Hope that's of interest. Colin Excellent Colin,
The Fanaticus article is here (Chris Brantley): www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armies/Variants/ZanjRevolt/index.html
The Zanj Slave Revolt (Wayback Machine) web.archive.org/web/20090707223103/http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/zanj.htm
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Post by timurilank on Aug 1, 2017 9:34:56 GMT
The Armies of the Caliphate by Hugh Kennedy. I finished reading the book; quite rich in detail and based on Arab sources.
In the final chapter of the Abbasid Caliphate, the suppression of the Zanj revolt is described as amphibious in nature with a number of sieges. The Arab chronicles describe a myriad of boats used by the Abbasid. Firing from the boats, archers and catapults supported the infantry assaults against Zanj positions. This would be one case of both sides using the ‘Littoral’ landing option.
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Post by paulhannah on Jan 29, 2020 18:19:46 GMT
I noticed that Legio Heroica makes a Zanj javelinman in their Crusader/Muslim range. They make many other Arab figures but I haven't looked deeply into what other figures might work for a Zanj army. Legio Heroica's Arab Swordsman ( MUS40 & 41) seem plausible enough for the Blade elements. How about MUS25 & 26 for the Fast Hordes? LH even makes an impressive looking stone-thrower, which seems capable of hurling small moons at the Abassids.
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Post by martin on Jan 29, 2020 20:23:18 GMT
Zanj are surprisingly effective.....have fun !
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Post by Spitzicles on Feb 1, 2020 0:28:58 GMT
Legio Heroica's Arab Swordsman ( MUS40 & 41) seem plausible enough for the Blade elements. How about MUS25 & 26 for the Fast Hordes? LH even makes an impressive looking stone-thrower, which seems capable of hurling small moons at the Abassids. While those are very nice figures, the Fast Hordes are described as "ill armed men with clubs, sickles or similar". In my opinion forming Fast Horde from such well armed figures would lose a bit of the Zanji Revolt's character.
The stone thrower is a cracker, making me re consider my idea of scratch building it.
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Post by Haardrada on Feb 1, 2020 0:42:16 GMT
Legio Heroica's Arab Swordsman ( MUS40 & 41) seem plausible enough for the Blade elements. How about MUS25 & 26 for the Fast Hordes? LH even makes an impressive looking stone-thrower, which seems capable of hurling small moons at the Abassids. While those are very nice figures, the Fast Hordes are described as "ill armed men with clubs, sickles or similar". In my opinion forming Fast Horde from such well armed figures would lose a bit of the Zanji Revolt's character.
The stone thrower is a cracker, making me re consider my idea of scratch building it.
Have you looked at the Donnington artillery as a possibility ART05 or ART05 might be what you are looking for... or at least could be a blue-print for scratch building?
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Post by paulhannah on Feb 1, 2020 15:31:34 GMT
...the Fast Hordes are described as "ill armed men with clubs, sickles or similar". In my opinion forming Fast Horde from such well armed figures [Legio Heroica's MUS25 & 26] would lose a bit of the Zanj Revolt's character. Very good point. So I wander over to Donnington's website and I see their MUF10 & 11 "Sudanese Lutatmen" from their " Armies of Islam" range. No sickles, but they're wielding something rather club-ish. Still, not quite satisfied with those either. Mikes Models' "Palestinian Clubmen", in loincloth from their Aurelianic Roman range, is looking better and better for these Zanj Fast Hordes.
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Post by goragrad on Feb 1, 2020 20:34:32 GMT
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Post by paulhannah on Feb 1, 2020 21:11:16 GMT
Hey, thanks for finding those. Thye seem to fit the description nicely and could work well for the Fast Hordes. Were I to build the rest of the army from Old Glory, would you suggest drawing from their "Arab Conquest" range, their "Saracen" range, or a mix of both?
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Post by goragrad on Feb 1, 2020 22:07:13 GMT
As to Arab infantry, the figures are the same in both lines. The Conquest line has Sudanese infantry more in line with Timurilank's post at the beginning of this thread. Although he actually suggested OG15's Andalusian Berber Spearmen (more Sub-Saharan than Berber in my view, although that would be appropriate in this case) and Colonial Sudan lines. As to the use of the Biblical Nubians, some have tails on their kilts (I have an OG15 Nubian army) that need trimming. I do picture escaped slaves though more as the loincloth clad Sudanese than the kilted OG15 Andalusian Berbers (very different from the Berbers in the Conquest line). And I see the Conquest line as more in tune otherwise with the dates of the Zanj rebellion - the loincloth clad Berbers spear and archers might fit in as well for escaped slaves. I'd probably mix some of the Arab spear with the Sudanese for my elements. Assume the cavalry figures to be the local Arabs and use the Mediums from the Conquest line. Unfortunately Alternative Armies doesn't have any Arab peasants in their Medus lines, so no clubs and sickles there. They have some reasonable Sudanese and Negro figures in the Arab portion of the line - www.alternative-armies.com/collections/15mm-dark-age-and-ancients-isarus-range
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Apr 21, 2021 0:22:07 GMT
I just put my version together this weekend from bits of other armies in one of my live videos.
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Post by Les1964 on Jan 9, 2022 23:28:05 GMT
Does anyone have a picture of the banner saved ?
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Post by mwise on Jan 10, 2022 2:55:23 GMT
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Post by Les1964 on Jan 10, 2022 14:01:33 GMT
Cheers for the links . Looks like the banner didn't make it . ![]()
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