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Post by timurilank on Apr 13, 2017 8:17:07 GMT
II/47e Marcomanni Army of Maroboduus (9 BC – 19 AD) remove II/64a Western Roman Army (193 AD – 324 AD) II/64a Western Roman Army (193 AD – 324 AD) remove II/47e Marcomanni Army of Maroboduus (9 BC – 19 AD)
Agree. Action: Remove II/64a Western Roman Army (193 AD – 324 AD) from II/47e Marcomanni Army of Maroboduus (9 BC – 19 AD) Remove II/47e Marcomanni Army of Maroboduus (9 BC – 19 AD) from II/64a Western Roman Army (193 AD – 324 AD).
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Post by timurilank on Apr 13, 2017 8:19:25 GMT
II/64a Western Roman Army (193 AD – 324 AD) remove II/47f Suevi (9 AD – 19 AD) II/47f Suevi (9 AD – 19 AD) remove II/64a Western Roman Army (193 AD – 324 AD) (Although listed as mutual enemies, none of the above dates match.)
Agree. Note the early presence of Sarmatian mercenaries in a Germanic army. Action: Remove II/47f Suevi (9 AD – 19 AD) from II/64a Western Roman Army (193 AD – 324 AD). Remove II/64a Western Roman Army (193 AD – 324 AD) from II/47f Suevi (9 AD – 19 AD).
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Post by stevie on Apr 13, 2017 18:16:23 GMT
You know, when this project first started, I sure that no-one in their wildest dreams thought that there would be so many corrections to the Army Lists. Group #1 on page 5 is now far too long and unwieldy...and it is still growing daily.
As timurilank is checking items faster than I can find them, I think that perhaps now would be a good opportunity to reorganize the layout on page 5. I propose that all the Book 1 entries are placed in the edited post here:- fanaticus.boards.net/thread/603/historical-opponents?page=5&scrollTo=4418 ...and all the Book 2 entries are placed here:- fanaticus.boards.net/thread/603/historical-opponents?page=5&scrollTo=4419 ...and all the Book 3 entries are placed here:- fanaticus.boards.net/thread/603/historical-opponents?page=5&scrollTo=4420 ...and so on. Thus there will be four consecutive posts on page 5, each one dedicated to one of the four army list books.
The colour coding could be altered slightly as follows:- Red items with question marks would be brand new additions that have not yet been discussed. These will turn black once they are finalized, or turn green if more info is required, or be deleted entirely if rejected. (All the existing blue items will become one of the above colours, and I shall not post anything in blue from now on)
To this end I wonder if I can persuade timurilank to concentrate on all the blue items below, and those items that have been lingering in Group #3 for some time. Ideally it would be nice to have all the Book 1 corrections processed and finalized, as no more remain to be found, but I realize that some will just have to become green for now until they have been researched more fully.
Blue items from Group #1 that need checking:- I/35d Cypriot or Phoenician Army (489 BC – 332 BC) remove I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) remove I/35d Cypriot or Phoenician Army (489 BC – 332 BC) II/5a Spartan Army in Greece (448 BC – 276 BC) add II/7 Later Achaemenid Persians (420 BC – 329 BC) II/7 Later Achaemenid Persians (420 BC – 329 BC) add II/5k Agesilaus’ Expedition (396 BC – 394 BC) II/10 Camillan Roman (400 BC – 275 BC) remove II/28b Other Armenians (300 BC – 244 AD) II/17a Lysimachid Army (320 BC – 303 BC) remove II/27a Pyrrhic Army (300 BC – 281 BC) II/18a Antipatos’ Army (320 BC – 319 BC) remove II/18f Queen Olympias’ Army (317 BC – 316 BC) II/18c Kassandros (318 BC – 298 BC) add II/18f Queen Olympia (317 BC – 316 BC) II/18f Queen Olympia (317 BC – 316 BC) change II/18a to II/18c Kassandros (318 BC – 298 BC) II/21a Ch’iang and Ti Chinese (315 BC – 301 AD) remove II/4d Other Chinese (480 BC – 356 BC) II/27a Pyrrhic Army (300 BC – 281 BC) remove II/17a Lysimachid Army (320 BC – 303 BC) II/28b Other Armenians (300 BC – 244 AD) remove II/10 Camillan Roman (400 BC – 275 BC) II/46c Kushan Kidarites (411 AD – 477 AD) remove II/69c Sassanid Persian Army (494 AD – 651 AD)
Unchecked items from Group #3:- I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) remove II/1 Republican Indian Army (500 BC – 321 BC) I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) remove II/2 Mountain Indian Army (500 BC – 170 BC) I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) remove II/3a Classical Indian Army (500 BC – 178 AD) II/1 Republican Indian Army (500 BC – 321 BC) remove I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) II/2 Mountain Indian Army (500 BC – 170 BC) remove I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) II/3a Classical Indian Army (500 BC – 178 AD) remove I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) II/5a Spartan Army in Greece (448 BC – 276 BC) add II/6 Bithynian (435 BC – 74 BC) II/5L Black Sea Greeks (410 BC – 310 BC) add II/12 Alexandrian Macedonian (359 BC – 319 BC) II/15 Alexandrian Imperial (328 BC – 321 BC) add II/5L Black Sea Greeks (410 BC – 310 BC) II/26 Later Rhoxolani Sarmatian (310 BC – 375 AD) add II/5L Black Sea Greeks (410 BC – 310 BC) II/76 Koguryo Korean (300 AD – 668 AD) add II/79a Chinese Northern Dynasty (317 AD – 589 AD) II/81d Strathclyde Army (580 AD – 1034 AD) add III/19a Welsh Army (580 AD – 1149 AD) I won't make any changes just yet in order to give people an opportunity to comment. (Anyway, I don’t have any new errors to post at the moment...I’m currently up to II/48 Mithridates...)
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Post by timurilank on Apr 14, 2017 6:18:12 GMT
Blue items from Group #1 that need checking:- I/35d Cypriot or Phoenician Army (489 BC – 332 BC) remove I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) remove I/35d Cypriot or Phoenician Army (489 BC – 332 BC)
This was an error carried over from the old version. Action: Remove I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) from I/35d Cypriot or Phoenician Army (489 BC – 332 BC). Remove I/35d Cypriot or Phoenician Army (489 BC – 332 BC) from I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC).
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Post by timurilank on Apr 14, 2017 6:19:24 GMT
II/5a Spartan Army in Greece (448 BC – 276 BC) add II/7 Later Achaemenid Persians (420 BC – 329 BC) II/7 Later Achaemenid Persians (420 BC – 329 BC) add II/5k Agesilaus’ Expedition (396 BC – 394 BC)
The older version did have II/5a and II/7 as mutual enemies, but the expedition of Agesilaus is a new entry which omitted the Persians. The corrections should be made for consistency. Action: Add II/7 Later Achaemenid Persians (420 BC – 329 BC) to II/5a Spartan Army in Greece (448 BC – 276 BC). Add II/5k Agesilaus’ Expedition (396 BC – 394 BC) to II/7 Later Achaemenid Persians (420 BC – 329 BC).
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Post by timurilank on Apr 14, 2017 6:20:42 GMT
II/10 Camillan Roman (400 BC – 275 BC) remove II/28b Other Armenians (300 BC – 244 AD) II/28b Other Armenians (300 BC – 244 AD) remove II/10 Camillan Roman (400 BC – 275 BC)
This error appeared in the old version as well. Action: Remove II/28b Other Armenians (300 BC – 244 AD) from II/10 Camillan Roman (400 BC – 275 BC). Remove II/10 Camillan Roman (400 BC – 275 BC) from II/10 Camillan Roman (400 BC – 275 BC).
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Post by timurilank on Apr 14, 2017 6:21:26 GMT
II/17a Lysimachid Army (320 BC – 303 BC) remove II/27a Pyrrhic Army (300 BC – 281 BC) Agree, as their dates do not overlap. Action: Remove II/27a Pyrrhic Army (300 BC – 281 BC) from II/17a Lysimachid Army (320 BC – 303 BC).
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Post by timurilank on Apr 14, 2017 6:22:07 GMT
II/18a Antipatos’ Army (320 BC – 319 BC) remove II/18f Queen Olympias’ Army (317 BC – 316 BC) Agree, as their dates do not overlap. Action: Remove II/18f Queen Olympias’ Army (317 BC – 316 BC) from II/18a Antipatos’ Army (320 BC – 319 BC).
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Post by timurilank on Apr 14, 2017 6:23:07 GMT
II/18c Kassandros (318 BC – 298 BC) add II/18f Queen Olympia (317 BC – 316 BC) II/18f Queen Olympia (317 BC – 316 BC) change II/18a to II/18c Kassandros (318 BC – 298 BC)
Agree. Action: Add II/18f Queen Olympia (317 BC – 316 BC) to II/18c Kassandros (318 BC – 298 BC). Change II/18a to II/18c Kassandros (318 BC – 298 BC) for II/18f Queen Olympia (317 BC – 316 BC).
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Post by timurilank on Apr 14, 2017 6:24:03 GMT
II/21a Ch’iang and Ti Chinese (315 BC – 301 AD) remove II/4d Other Chinese (480 BC – 356 BC) Agree, as their dates do not overlap. Action: Remove II/4d Other Chinese (480 BC – 356 BC) from II/21a Ch’iang and Ti Chinese (315 BC – 301 AD).
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Post by timurilank on Apr 14, 2017 6:25:10 GMT
II/27a Pyrrhic Army (300 BC – 281 BC) remove II/17a Lysimachid Army (320 BC – 303 BC) Agree, as their dates do not overlap. Action: Remove II/17a Lysimachid Army (320 BC – 303 BC) from II/27a Pyrrhic Army (300 BC – 281 BC).
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Post by timurilank on Apr 14, 2017 6:26:09 GMT
II/46c Kushan Kidarites (411 AD – 477 AD) remove II/69c Sassanid Persian Army (494 AD – 651 AD) Agree, as their dates do not overlap. The Kushan do appear on the correct sub-list. Action: Remove II/69c Sassanid Persian Army (494 AD – 651 AD) from II/46c Kushan Kidarites (411 AD – 477 AD).
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Post by stevie on Apr 14, 2017 14:03:06 GMT
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Post by stevie on Apr 14, 2017 21:18:22 GMT
A couple more Book II errors:-
II/55c Beja (823 AD – 1500 AD) remove III/31 Umayyad Arab Army (661 AD – 750 AD) (Army II/55c lists III/31 as an enemy, but III/31 doesn’t mention II/55c, and the dates don’t match)
II/81c British Armies (471 AD – 580 AD) add II/54b Scots-Irish (433 AD – 841 AD) (Army II/54b lists II/81c as an enemy, but II/81c doesn’t mention II/54b. Note that II/54b also lists II/81b, and II/81b doesn’t list II/54b...but that has already been discovered and is in the new Book II corrections on page 5)
I don’t want anybody to think I’ve actually got that far... ...I’ve only just finished the Blimey No Blades...I mean the II/55b Blemmye-Nobades. (sorry, but I've been dying to get that pun in. )
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Post by timurilank on Apr 15, 2017 7:42:37 GMT
Unchecked items from Group #3:- I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) remove II/1 Republican Indian Army (500 BC – 321 BC) I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) remove II/2 Mountain Indian Army (500 BC – 170 BC) I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) remove II/3a Classical Indian Army (500 BC – 178 AD)
The end date for the Achaemenid was change, but the three Indian armies were not removed from the enemies list. Action: Remove II/1 Republican Indian Army (500 BC – 321 BC) from I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) Remove II/2 Mountain Indian Army (500 BC – 170 BC) from I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC) Remove II/3a Classical Indian Army (500 BC – 178 AD) from I/60a Achaemenid Army (550 BC – 547 BC)
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