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Post by Baldie on Jul 3, 2022 6:18:54 GMT
I am glad I helped you enjoy your tourney experience by getting slaughtered. Oddly enough I enjoy the losses as much as the victories.
Well almost
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Post by martin on Jul 3, 2022 7:56:35 GMT
Echoing previous sentiments from Ken and Baldie et al….many thanks for a very well run tournament, Simon. Excellent games against a fair mix of opposition. Will put pics into groups.io and facebook later today or tomorrow, when travelling ceases….yet to look through them.
Cheers!! Martin, repeatedly deaded king of the Hyksos. 💀💀⚔️⚔️💀💀⚔️⚔️💀💀
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Post by stevie on Jul 3, 2022 21:59:13 GMT
I too would like to thank Simon for another enjoyable day at Bakewell (as always). And I quite like Martin’s scoring system, where you get 20 points minus your losses for a win, and 6 points if you only manage a ‘winning draw’. After all, killing 3 enemy for no loss to yourself deserves something, even if you run out of time. As for me, I had my usual day. I (wrongly) chose II/65c Alaric’s Goths. Now Warbands are a threat to their historical contemporary enemies, but in an open tournament you could end up fighting anybody. And three players turned up with Knight heavy Norman armies, which my poor Warbands just happened to face in the 1st, 2nd and 6th games! The last game against Martin Myers’ Normans is a case in point. The final score was 8+General v 0 losses! (“Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight Stevie!”, ha, ha, ha!)
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Post by martin on Jul 4, 2022 6:11:44 GMT
Will put pics into groups.io and facebook later today or tomorrow, when travelling ceases….yet to look through them. Pics delayed due u/s wifi 😶
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Post by sheffmark on Jul 4, 2022 14:28:53 GMT
Another excellently run competition with some really challenging and fun games, most of which could have gone either way.
The last game v Baldie being particularly memorable, with my initial confidence soon giving way when his Wb managed to kill a Kn. Having lost 3 elements and my Kn and Kn general being bounced off the Roman Art and Bw at least twice, it looked all over when my Bd was hard flanked and 5-4 down, but he stood firm to give one last bound. With a fortunate glut of Pips the Normans managed to get the last elements required for the win and help Baldie maintain his (illusory) image of being forever the loser!
It was nice to see new player, Ken, joining our ranks as well.
The brownies were missed but the cake was excellent.
It was great to follow up the day with a BBDBA on the Sunday at the Joy of Six event in Sheffield, along with Tim and Colin using Pauls M's excellent Macedonians and Greeks.
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Post by Baldie on Jul 4, 2022 19:20:24 GMT
Tis true, despite losing the game in last round it was awesome as was the whole day.
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Post by martin on Jul 5, 2022 10:18:05 GMT
My six games of DBA on Saturday. Congrats to Mark Johnson (using Normans), John Saunders (Carolingians) and Pete Duckworth (Samurai).
I took early Hyksos - I/17a…a few chariots (LCh gen.), a fair number of sickle-swordsmen and bedouin javelinmen (3Bd and 3Ax), plus a few skirmishers and some Egyptian levy foot.
Games were: - 1. Defending, facing Mark Johnson’s Normans (III/52) on the coast with a beach-side village in the Hysos’ rear left. The Egyptian levies and some javelineers (4Ax) landed on the Norman flank, and gave the Breton cavalry there a run for their money. As a distraction it was working well, but low activations prevented the rest of the army from moving up to take advantage. Eventually the Hyksos general was tumbled from his chariot by Norman milites, and a 2 to 3g + horde loss followed.
2. Defending again, against Martin Myers with MORE Normans (feisty bunch), who were somewhat hampered by a large village, deploying their heavy troops on a narrow plain between that and the sea. Out of the latter came boats bearing the Egyptians and javelineers (again). While Hyksos skirmishers fought a scrappy delaying action against archers in the village, and the wet-footed landers distracted as best they could, the rest of the army moved up to engage the Frankish heavies, but fortune was unkind (and MM is too good a player 😊)…the King of the Hyksos was forced back into the sea by charging milites, with another loss following (2 - 4g + horde).
3. Game three saw Tim Rogers’ Tarascan Meso-Americans invade Hyksos territory. The usual landing force arrived, to delay the Tarascan left flank, while on the opposite flank the Hyksos sickle-swordsmen set off to attack the Tarascan archers via a swamp. The Tarascan archers were rapidly driven back, and their camp captured for a 5+camp to 1 win.
4. After lunch my warriors encountered a Free Company army, led by Colin O’Shea, and we defended yet again. Not yet tired of rowing, the Egyptians and javelineers did their usual ‘distraction landing’ towards the enemy left while a burst of ‘6 PIP inspiration’ saw the sickle-swordsmen race off to attack the opposing right’s English longbow-men. These stout yeomen proved a tougher nut to crack than the Tarascans, and held on longer until their knights could intervene in the centre. One knight was luckily knobbled by some sickle swordsmen, but very soon the Hyksos were overwhelmed (2 to 4+horde defeat).
5. Alaric’s Visigoths next, commanded by Stevie Andrews. We invaded, and apart from a tiny wood and some ploughed fields there was no terrain to hide in from the onslaught of Gothic cavalry and foot-warriors. Things got messy pretty quickly, and the efforts of the Hyksos commander only led to him being toppled from his chariot. Two of the Gothic cavalry (3Kn) were brought down, including Alaric himself, but only in the dying moments… a 2g to 4g+horde loss.
6. Last game, facing the Khazars of Ken Gordon on the open steppe. The Hyksos avoided the strong Khazar centre, but had successes against their cavalry and light horse on the flanks where the fleet footed biblical warriors manage to surround a few horsemen to secure a 5-1 win, the lost Hyksos unit having been scattered by the Khazar artillery.
All in all a fun day out, despite four defeats. I wasn’t under any illusions about the suitability of the Hyksos for open tournaments, but they put in a strong showing, and fought well. Two wins was one more than I’d hoped for, so I was more than happy with the day - especially as the opponents were all good guys, win or lose.
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Post by martin on Jul 6, 2022 14:26:15 GMT
Will put pics into groups.io and facebook later today or tomorrow, when travelling ceases….yet to look through them. Pics delayed due u/s wifi 😶 Photos now on facebook and in the groups.io DBAList albums. 👍🏼👍🏼
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Post by Baldie on Jul 8, 2022 13:28:30 GMT
So it turns out my good lad nature may not be as deserved as I thought.
Looking at potential forces for Newbury I realise I have made an oopsie at Bakewell.
I got list of allies and enemies mixed up with my MIR and now realise my list was wrong.
I went with MIR and Calledonian allies for 2 fast warband and a psiloi but they are an enemy not an ally. To get warband in I needed to do same MIR force but with Visigothic allies for 2 solid warband and a psiloi.
So I needed to have 2 solid warband rather than 2 fast warband which in one game vs Hussites would have slowed me down a turn and made victory less likely. Rest of games they mainly cowered from the enemy and hid out of the way or were run down and killed so I dont think it made a difference to rest of the games.
I have re looked and dont think there is a way to get fast warband allies with MIR
Really sorry to all especially if there would have been a potentially different outcome
I would have kept quiet but I am a good lad at heart, just not very smart.
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Post by timurilank on Jul 8, 2022 13:55:35 GMT
So it turns out my good lad nature may not be as deserved as I thought. Looking at potential forces for Newbury I realise I have made an oopsie at Bakewell. I got list of allies and enemies mixed up with my MIR and now realise my list was wrong. I went with MIR and Calledonian allies for 2 fast warband and a psiloi but they are an enemy not an ally. To get warband in I needed to do same MIR force but with Visigothic allies for 2 solid warband and a psiloi. So I needed to have 2 solid warband rather than 2 fast warband which in one game vs Hussites would have slowed me down a turn and made victory less likely. Rest of games they mainly cowered from the enemy and hid out of the way or were run down and killed so I dont think it made a difference to rest of the games. I have re looked and dont think there is a way to get fast warband allies with MIR Really sorry to all especially if there would have been a potentially different outcome I would have kept quiet but I am a good lad at heart, just not very smart. Early Imperial Roman (II/56) can have Batavian or Cherusci allies (II/47d), therefore 3Wb. But for a few minor options, both Roman lists are quite similar.
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Post by Simon on Jul 9, 2022 7:25:46 GMT
So it turns out my good lad nature may not be as deserved as I thought. Looking at potential forces for Newbury I realise I have made an oopsie at Bakewell. I got list of allies and enemies mixed up with my MIR and now realise my list was wrong. I went with MIR and Calledonian allies for 2 fast warband and a psiloi but they are an enemy not an ally. To get warband in I needed to do same MIR force but with Visigothic allies for 2 solid warband and a psiloi. So I needed to have 2 solid warband rather than 2 fast warband which in one game vs Hussites would have slowed me down a turn and made victory less likely. Rest of games they mainly cowered from the enemy and hid out of the way or were run down and killed so I dont think it made a difference to rest of the games. I have re looked and dont think there is a way to get fast warband allies with MIR Really sorry to all especially if there would have been a potentially different outcome I would have kept quiet but I am a good lad at heart, just not very smart. I certainly wouldn't worry about it Baldie. I suspect that incorrect army compositions happen from time to time along with inadvertent rules interpretation, measurement errors etc. It is all part of the DBA tournament experience, which is almost invariably a positive one! Cheers Simon Simon
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Post by sheffmark on Jul 11, 2022 19:46:45 GMT
So it turns out my good lad nature may not be as deserved as I thought. Looking at potential forces for Newbury I realise I have made an oopsie at Bakewell. I got list of allies and enemies mixed up with my MIR and now realise my list was wrong. I went with MIR and Calledonian allies for 2 fast warband and a psiloi but they are an enemy not an ally. To get warband in I needed to do same MIR force but with Visigothic allies for 2 solid warband and a psiloi. So I needed to have 2 solid warband rather than 2 fast warband which in one game vs Hussites would have slowed me down a turn and made victory less likely. Rest of games they mainly cowered from the enemy and hid out of the way or were run down and killed so I dont think it made a difference to rest of the games. I have re looked and dont think there is a way to get fast warband allies with MIR Really sorry to all especially if there would have been a potentially different outcome I would have kept quiet but I am a good lad at heart, just not very smart. Fast or solid they would have still killed my Kn!
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Post by diades on Jul 12, 2022 19:51:14 GMT
Thank you Simon for an excellent event. Thank you all for making it so! I think the large number of us in a small room with no windows on a hot day got to me, so apologies if I was grumpier than usual towards the end. On reflection it was a lot of fun. I had six eventful games. I (like others) took Normans. In my case simply because I have only used them as part of a matched pair in tournaments previously, and thought it was time the figures were trotted out in their own right. Knight general, three more knights, three blades, two bows and a psiloi. My first game was against newbie Ken Gordon with Khazars. Newbie to DBA tournaments, yes. To DB based wargames? I suspect not. He knew what he was up to. He deployed command wagon, artillery, spear and knight centrally with two hordes on a gentle hill to their right. Three units of cavalry behind one flank and three of light horse behind the other. The Khazars had all the PIPs. My Normans ended up with pairs of mounted in echelon refusing (ish) my left flank, aided by some rough with the combined Khazar mounted threatening, whilst my foot slogged towards the centre. The game went to the wire time-wise and came good for me to claim a 4-0 win. Next up Martin Smith with Hyksos. He has already described the game. He ambushed my left most blades from the waterway, and my starting PIP roll was 1 again, but he neglects to say how skilfully he brought the rest of his troops up in rapid time in all the right places. First blood went to him in the rough, but my harassed blades on the left stood their ground for ages and eventually won through. In the meantime the Hyksos’ general had come right around my left flank with rear towards the waterway, which knights were eventually able to exploit. I think some knights actually killed some blades, but others died on a draw (that classic theme that was to repeat itself!). As ever playing with Martin I learnt a lot about the game. Rules I had forgotten and others I had never picked up on! Pete Duckworth gave me a tough choice of terrain. I ended up in the open. Facing me from right to left: woods, steep hill, fort with lots of samurai on and in between. I tried to engineer something on the right by the woods, but was threatened too well on my left. By the time I had set everything up to engage in my favour on the left, the samurai retreated back to fort and hills. Two japanese bows ganged up on one of my blades and destroyed it shooting, one of the bows then destroying a unit of knights first shot. Time running out – I took a risk in the centre hoping to reach his double based general. Some of it came off, but not enough and Pete expertly polished me off 4-2. After lunch I had a thrilling game versus Baldie’s Middle Imperial Roman with Pictish allies. A wood on his left flank partially shielded that end of his line, but otherwise we squared up to one another. We reached 3-3 and then both kept rolling 1 for PIPs – taking the best chances, but losing. I had three attempts on a pictish warband with knights, once with support, but no luck. Eventually blade on blade with support 5-4 came good for Baldie for victory 4-3. Next up Paddy’s Koguryo Koreans. Once again the Normans were slow out of the blocks. Stand offs on both flanks where the Koreans had exploited their terrain. Conflict in the centre was one way. A 4-0 drubbing. Finally against Stevie’s Norman-weary (having faced two Norman armies already) Alaric Goths. Both sides trying to line up optimally and exploit the massive edifice on the gothic side of the field and protect flanks. Norman bows gradually whittled away a couple of units on the gothic right flank and were able to exploit the resulting overlap for another combat kill. When the final clash came it was decisive and the luck was with the Normans: 5 units destroyed in the final bound including the general for an 8G-0 victory. What a finish! I attacked in every game. I threw a 1 for PIPs in at least 5 of my games. Three wins and three losses. A good day out. If William’s miltes had had the luck mine had against blades, we would never have had a Norman monarchy!
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