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Post by Baldie on Jul 25, 2020 11:47:44 GMT
This is a time for creativity.
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Post by diades on Jul 25, 2020 16:30:21 GMT
Diades on this forum started up/ contributed greatly to a thread on this form, about a year or so ago. The conclusion was not the one Tony A. advocates.....not sure where the thread ended up. Hi Martin It was under the Tournaments section. "Bakewell Wimps Winter Warmer 15 Feb 2020" thread. Any part of the front edge on the hill counts. Draw a line from the centre ( in fact anywhere except the ends, i.e. Corners) of the contacting "in combat" front edges to the nearest part of the ridge or crest. The element that line passes through is uphill of its opponent. |
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Post by Simon on Jul 25, 2020 19:53:31 GMT
Yep. I remember the post-Bakewell discussion well! Diades has it. I have to say though that ther French rules (ADLG) have a much clearer definition! Zut alors!!!
Simon
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Post by goldenhord on Nov 18, 2022 8:54:07 GMT
Despite the rules is pro option 3, we are using in tournament a mix near option 2. More than 50 % of the element should be on the hill to get the bonus.
It prevents difficult discussions were milimeters are the purpose which is not the rules spririt.
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Post by martin on Nov 18, 2022 9:31:46 GMT
Despite the rules is pro option 3, we are using in tournament a mix near option 2. More than 50 % of the element should be on the hill to get the bonus. It prevents difficult discussions were milimeters are the purpose which is not the rules spririt. But now you have to assess if 50% is on the hill…another ‘difficult discussion’. Front edge works just fine, tbh. |
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Post by Simon on Nov 18, 2022 10:00:57 GMT
Despite the rules is pro option 3, we are using in tournament a mix near option 2. More than 50 % of the element should be on the hill to get the bonus. It prevents difficult discussions were milimeters are the purpose which is not the rules spririt. But now you have to assess if 50% is on the hill…another ‘difficult discussion’. Front edge works just fine, tbh. I agree with Martin and it is consistent with other terrain rules in that a tiny mm in Bad Going and you count as in ...bad going. The Bakewell Winter Warmer tournament will use this rule... and there will be a lot of hills as the theme is Hilly Armies! Cheers Simon |
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Post by goldenhord on Nov 20, 2022 21:22:53 GMT
When you bow an element you count as well half of the element. This is the same and it is better to admit that half of teh figure getter a bonus of +1 rather a milimeter of an element... it is only a convention and the figure is being put by a player so he could say it and it is clear for everybody including the empire. Front edge is not the rule, the rule as stevie mentionned it previously is part of the front not the entire front.
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Post by cgd on Nov 21, 2022 20:05:27 GMT
When you bow an element you count as well half of the element. This is the same and it is better to admit that half of teh figure getter a bonus of +1 rather a milimeter of an element... it is only a convention and the figure is being put by a player so he could say it and it is clear for everybody including the empire. Front edge is not the rule, the rule as stevie mentionned it previously is part of the front not the entire front. Well, there are some of our tournaments in France where the rule (ie option 3) is played, goldenhord. I think at least those in the North and those in Paris and around (except Rueil ?). And I do agree with martin: how can you tell for sure that in a given situation half the element is on the hill or not, if you think that in another situation it could not be obvious if the front is on the hill or not ? Both are subject to good faith from both players. |
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Post by stevie on Nov 21, 2022 20:38:07 GMT
On this issue I can only repeat what I have posted before:- From a rule lawyer’s point of view, page 6, paragraph 7, the very last sentence, clearly says:- “All hills slope up to a centre line crest and give a close combat advantage if part of a front edge is upslope of all of its opponents.” Now if players wish to ignore the word “ part”, they are free to do so... ...but then they are not playing by the rules as written. |
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Post by Mr.E on Nov 21, 2022 20:52:13 GMT
When you bow an element you count as well half of the element. This is the same and it is better to admit that half of teh figure getter a bonus of +1 rather a milimeter of an element... it is only a convention and the figure is being put by a player so he could say it and it is clear for everybody including the empire. Front edge is not the rule, the rule as stevie mentionned it previously is part of the front not the entire front. Well, there are some of our tournaments in France where the rule (ie option 3) is played, goldenhord . I think at least those in the North and those in Paris and around (except Rueil ?). And I do agree with martin : how can you tell for sure that in a given situation half the element is on the hill or not, if you think that in another situation it could not be obvious if the front is on the hill or not ? Both are subject to good faith from both players. Funny Because in the trnaslated French rules of 3.0 there is no mention of front edge. French rules can be sumerize like that: //partly in good going = you are in other going, upslope to your opponent front (ie anypart of element) give you combat advantage// which somehow extent the use of hill on the terrain by1/2 BW, but it is much more clear. |
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Post by Simon on Nov 21, 2022 21:53:24 GMT
This is what I will be using at the Bakewell winter tournament where there will be a lot of hills as Hilly terrain armies is the theme!
An element will count as uphill if any part of its front edge is on the hill and if a straight line drawn from the central point (conical hill) or the nearest point of the ridge line (ridged hill) to the centre of the combat passes through that element first. Hills will assumed to be conical unless defined as ridged by the owning player when placed., in which case the ridge must be defined.
Cheers Simon
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Post by Baldie on Nov 23, 2022 18:35:25 GMT
I look forward to spending my X Mass break modeling hills with multiple high points and ridges, maybe even model in the odd river or two.
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Post by Haardrada on Nov 23, 2022 20:51:11 GMT
I look forward to spending my X Mass break modeling hills with multiple high points and ridges, maybe even model in the odd river or two. Remember to stamp made in France on the bottom of those hills....then nobody can argue with you that the French rules don't apply.🇫🇷😁🇫🇷 |
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Post by Baldie on Nov 23, 2022 21:33:14 GMT
The bottom of my FOW minefields do say "Not Yours"
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