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Post by phippsy on Nov 21, 2019 21:26:00 GMT
Just came up this evening, where there was a spear element as a garrison on a fort. An opposing 4Ax moved into the TZ of the fort, but on a flank away from the gate, But did not assail the fort.
The fort and the garrison are therefore in the TZ of the 4Ax opponent element? Correct?
Therefore I assume that the Spear garrison element cannot leave the fort by the gate which is on another side of the fort, as it would be leaving the TZ of the 4Ax.
Also could the Sp element leave the fort by the gate, and then move around the perimeter of the fort to engage the enemy 4Ax?
Thanks Peter
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Post by bob on Nov 22, 2019 4:42:22 GMT
Could the Spear just, "if a single element, move straight back to its own rear for the entire move." That is, move backwards out the gate, directly away from the Ax?
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Post by phippsy on Nov 22, 2019 6:15:10 GMT
Could the Spear just, "if a single element, move straight back to its own rear for the entire move." That is, move backwards out the gate, directly away from the Ax? Bob - suppose it could. Yes. But still a restriction, as the element cannot engage other enemy outside the fort or assist other friendly elements or arack the 4Ax, causing the issue in the first place. |
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Post by stevie on Nov 22, 2019 9:13:40 GMT
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Post by bob on Nov 22, 2019 22:39:35 GMT
Could the Spear just, "if a single element, move straight back to its own rear for the entire move." That is, move backwards out the gate, directly away from the Ax? Bob - suppose it could. Yes. But still a restriction, as the element cannot engage other enemy outside the fort or assist other friendly elements or attack the 4Ax, causing the issue in the first place. It can always try to attack the Ax: " (it) can move only: (a) to line up its front edge with one such enemy generating the TZ or (b) to advance into or towards contact with such an enemy." |
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Post by paulhannah on Nov 22, 2019 23:08:10 GMT
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Post by Haardrada on Nov 24, 2019 23:07:38 GMT
Bob - suppose it could. Yes. But still a restriction, as the element cannot engage other enemy outside the fort or assist other friendly elements or attack the 4Ax, causing the issue in the first place. It can always try to attack the Ax: " (it) can move only: (a) to line up its front edge with one such enemy generating the TZ or (b) to advance into or towards contact with such an enemy." I sort of agree with Bob here... If the Sp element does not remain in the Fort (and hurl cows and chickens) then the end of the third paragraph on page 8 sums it up..." No other changes in frontage, direction or facing can be made, even within a TZ, except to pivot, wheel and/or slide sideways to line up in an enemy TZ, or to conform in close combat". In other words the Sp can move(wheel) round the corner while in the TZ to line up (slide) facing or contact the Ax (remember the Ax is also in the TZ of the Fort). |
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Post by pawsbill on Nov 24, 2019 23:26:57 GMT
Just came up this evening, where there was a spear element as a garrison on a fort. An opposing 4Ax moved into the TZ of the fort, but on a flank away from the gate, But did not assail the fort. The fort and the garrison are therefore in the TZ of the 4Ax opponent element? Correct? You can't TZ a fort. Only an element can be effected by a TZ. |
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Post by bob on Nov 25, 2019 0:23:20 GMT
I thought folks were commenting on the TZ exerted on the "element" inside the Fort, City, or Camp?
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Post by phippsy on Nov 30, 2019 9:13:30 GMT
Ok - so when in the Fort an element is not affected by the TZ of an enemy element outside.
If there is an element enemy TZ across the gate exit, then the moment the element in the fort
leaves then it is affected in the normal way.
If no TZ across the gate outside then the element is free to move outside unimpeaded
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