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Post by j on Aug 19, 2019 0:07:50 GMT
I had a situation tonight where my opponent attacked an element of mine to the front & hard flanked me as well.
However, the combat resulted in a draw so all 3 elements remained in place for the next bound.
Here's where it gets complicated for me. I was able to place a friendly element to hard flank the element which was hard flanking my original element.
What happens in the combat? As far as I can see, the enemy hard flanker does not turn to face my new attack, right?
The combat is worked out between the original elements with each flanking element counting as a minus tactical point, right?
Whoever wins the combat complicates things even further, right?
My head hurts...
j
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Post by nangwaya on Aug 19, 2019 0:15:10 GMT
I cannot answer your question properly j, but man am I glad you participate in this forum, because you ask some wicked questions, and I am learning from them.
Looking forward to reading a proper answer to your question.
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Post by goragrad on Aug 19, 2019 2:02:31 GMT
Actually, without having the answer on turning to face (presume you are correct), as the player whose bound it is, you choose the combat sequencing.
At that point the question becomes how you would handle the combat between your flanking element and the element it is flanking - at least presuming it can occur I would attempt to remove a hard flanking unit if I had a chance to do so prior to resuming the original combat.
Be interesting to see what the house pundits have to say.
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Post by lkmjbc on Aug 19, 2019 2:22:17 GMT
The enemy element must turn to face after movement. That element will no longer be in front to flank contact.
Here is the citation...
Immediately after the movement phase, elements contacted to flank or rear by an enemy front edge turn to face the first
enemy element to contact them unless they are already in full front edge contact with another enemy element or providing
rear support...
Joe Collins
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Post by vtsaogames on Aug 19, 2019 2:25:40 GMT
Like Joe said. You now have two fights, no flanking. There might be overlaps, hard to say without a diagram.
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Post by martin on Aug 19, 2019 9:34:46 GMT
Yep, as stated....the original ‘hard flanking‘ element has to react to being attacked, and now turns to face the element which has joined the fight. It is therefore no longer a hard flanker (....so the element which had been surrounded now has a far better chance of survival, as it is no longer ‘hard flanked’)
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Post by j on Aug 19, 2019 15:24:23 GMT
I cannot answer your question properly j, but man am I glad you participate in this forum, because you ask some wicked questions, and I am learning from them. Looking forward to reading a proper answer to your question. Thank you... I think  j |
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Post by j on Aug 19, 2019 15:29:45 GMT
The enemy element must turn to face after movement. That element will no longer be in front to flank contact. Here is the citation... Immediately after the movement phase, elements contacted to flank or rear by an enemy front edge turn to face the first enemy element to contact them unless they are already in full front edge contact with another enemy element or providing rear support... Joe Collins Thanks Joe. The reminder that the rule says "in FULL front edge contact" means I can see that the original hard flanker would have to turn to face the new attack on its flank. Thanks for your clarity. Regards, j |
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Post by bob on Aug 20, 2019 4:50:40 GMT
I never understand the meaning of the term “hard flank.” What is the soft flank? Soft flank must be the opposite of hard flank I don’t know what either one of them are.
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Post by j on Aug 20, 2019 13:48:40 GMT
I never understand the meaning of the term “hard flank.” What is the soft flank? Soft flank must be the opposite of hard flank I don’t know what either one of them are. I just picked up the term from others using it. I thought it was to differentiate between (a) being hit in the flank perpendicularly, left hand front corner to left hand front corner or right hand front corner to right hand front corner (b) just "flanking" side edge to side edge which is the only way Ps can be overlapped Don't know if that's what anyone else thought... Regards, j |
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Post by stevie on Aug 20, 2019 17:13:00 GMT
To ‘Hard Flank’ someone is just a quick way of saying ‘having-a-front-edge-in-contact-with-a-flank’. A ’Soft Flank’ is just a quick way of saying ‘having-both-your-and-the-enemy’s-mutual-flanks-touching’. They both cause a -1 combat penalty, but other than that they are as different as chalk is from cheese. ‘Soft Flank’ contacts do not prevent breaking the contact by using a tactical move to move away. ‘Hard Flank’ positions on the other hand prevent either party from using a tactical move to break off, and causes recoiling troops to be destroyed. This ‘Hard/Soft’ terminology simply makes it easier for players to understand the differences between them. Some Helpful Downloads can be found here: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And here is the latest Jan 2019 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2019_1st_Quarter
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Post by vtsaogames on Aug 20, 2019 18:54:34 GMT
Or call it flanked (you die) or overlapped (you can run).
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Post by timurilank on Aug 20, 2019 20:08:13 GMT
To ‘Hard Flank’ someone is just a quick way of saying ‘having-a-front-edge-in-contact-with-a-flank’. A ’Soft Flank’ is just a quick way of saying ‘having-both-your-and-the-enemy’s-mutual-flanks-touching’. They both cause a -1 combat penalty, but other than that they are as different as chalk is from cheese. ‘Soft Flank’ contacts do not prevent breaking the contact by using a tactical move to move away. ‘Hard Flank’ positions on the other hand prevent either party from using a tactical move to break off, and causes recoiling troops to be destroyed. This ‘Hard/Soft’ terminology simply makes it easier for players to understand the differences between them. Some Helpful Downloads can be found here: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And here is the latest Jan 2019 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2019_1st_Quarter
Thanks for the explanation as the terms do not translate well into the Dutch language. |
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Post by bob on Aug 21, 2019 0:55:55 GMT
OK, I see it; ‘hard flank” is the long way of saying flank. Soft flank is the funny way of saying side overlap. The rules are hard enough without people making up terms that aren’t even in the rules. So we have chalk flank and cheese flank too.
Stevie is good at making lists, How about a list of all the terms that are not in the rules that people use. I can think of closing the gate or door, soft flank, hard flank, X-ray TZ, quick kill, more.
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Post by mark leslie on Aug 21, 2019 5:16:53 GMT
An illuminating discussion on the ins and outs of hard flanking and soft flanking.  I'm pretty sure they make a pill for this. |
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