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Post by woodrow on Dec 7, 2018 15:38:09 GMT
#1. Can a group move include a double wheel?
#2. Can a group of 4 blades wheel 2BW on left then wheel 2BW on the right?
Thanks!
Woodrow
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Post by sheffmark on Dec 7, 2018 16:10:49 GMT
1. Yes
2. Yes, in 2 moves as their total move is limited to 2BW per bound.
You can wheel so long as you "wheel forward through the same angles with the group's entire front edge pivoting forward around a front corner."
Page 8 Tactical Moves section 3rd para.
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Post by lkmjbc on Dec 7, 2018 19:50:36 GMT
1. Yes.
2. In the same turn...no.
The FAQ addresses this issue. You can find it in the wiki section here, on Keith's site, or on the Yahoo group.
Joe Collins
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Post by lkmjbc on Dec 7, 2018 21:19:00 GMT
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Post by woodrow on Dec 8, 2018 0:51:08 GMT
I'm confused. Two say yes and one says no.
Where does it say you can do one wheel only, or where does it say you can do more than one?
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Post by woodrow on Dec 8, 2018 1:00:07 GMT
I see the faq says this...Movement:
Q: Can a group wheel multiple times during a move?
A: Yes. Any movement by the group is counted against the entire group.
Can anyone explain what this means?
"Any movement by the group is counted against the entire group."
Does that mean...
a. if I do a double wheel that each side can move 1BW?
b. Or does it mean each side can move 2BW so the final position after two wheels the result is that the line has moved 2BW oblique?
Thanks
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Post by wingman on Dec 8, 2018 1:16:05 GMT
I am certainly no expert, but if your movement allowance is 2BW and none of the stands in the group move more than 2BW, I am thinking that it should be a legal move.
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Post by davidjconstable on Dec 8, 2018 2:32:11 GMT
It is a function of time not distance.
If the full time is used you can move 2BW, so one end of the line moves 2BW, this uses up the full time, so the other end of the line has no time to wheel.
One end could wheel 1BW, then the other wheel 1BW, each would use half the time.
David Constable
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Post by woodrow on Dec 8, 2018 2:44:58 GMT
Thanks Dave. It is fascinating there are so many opinions on this and yours is most interesting.
Is there anywhere in the rules it states that the group can only wheel once like you suggested?
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Post by woodrow on Dec 8, 2018 2:53:31 GMT
1. Yes. 2. In the same turn...no. The FAQ addresses this issue. You can find it in the wiki section here, on Keith's site, or on the Yahoo group. Joe Collins Hi Joe, can you explain what you said for #2? I didn't see anything in the faq that says that. Thanks |
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Post by Baldie on Dec 8, 2018 3:07:31 GMT
A group can wheel as many times as you want but each wheel counts as movement for all of the units in the group.
3 psiloi in a group. Left most unit is the pivot point and the group wheels by 2BW then forward for one 1BW not all of the units will have physically moved 3BW but they all count as moving 3BW
3 solid blades left most unit is the pivot point and the group wheels half a BW then moves forward a BW it could then wheel again left or right by a half BW
In my reality this makes sense
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Post by woodrow on Dec 8, 2018 4:00:37 GMT
A group can wheel as many times as you want but each wheel counts as movement for all of the units in the group. 3 psiloi in a group. Left most unit is the pivot point and the group wheels by 2BW then forward for one 1BW not all of the units will have physically moved 3BW but they all count as moving 3BW 3 solid blades left most unit is the pivot point and the group wheels half a BW then moves forward a BW it could then wheel again left or right by a half BW In my reality this makes sense Thanks. This extremely helpful for understanding what it means that each wheel counts as movement for all of the units in the group. I didn't know what they meant by that in the faq. Can you tell me where this is found in the rules or upon what text this is based on? I didn't see that anywhere in the rules. Thanks |
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Post by davidjconstable on Dec 8, 2018 5:30:42 GMT
As far as I am aware there is nothing to stop you wheeling eight times, however, the maximum distance for each wheel would be 2÷8=0.25 (2BW divided by 8 the number of wheels giving 0.25, a quarter of a BW move per wheel).
A lot of things are not written down, in most rules.
David Constable
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Post by scottrussell on Dec 8, 2018 9:04:37 GMT
In fact, if you are considering elements with a 2BW movement distance , it is hardly worth the effort. The sideways shift you generate with what is , in effect, an incline, is so small. You are probably better off using PIP's for individual element moves and inclining them properly. If you are moving LH or Cav elements, particularly if the group is a column, it is much more worthwhile.
Scott
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Post by stevie on Dec 8, 2018 10:30:19 GMT
Woodrow, sometimes what is not said in the rules is just as important as what is said. Page 8 paragraph 10 contains all the rules for groups wheeling. Does it say groups can only wheel once? No, it does not. Therefore, a group can wheel multiple times in a single bound. As for the distance covered, both Baldie and David have covered that quite well. DBA 3.0 splits things into 15 minute timeslots called ‘bounds’. It takes heavy foot 15 minutes to travel 2 base widths. If one wing of a group of blades has spent the entire bound wheeling 2 BW, then there is no time left that bound for the other end of the group to move or wheel as well. Sometimes the rules can be a little terse and difficult to understand in places. This is where the FAQ comes in...it tries to explain things and give a bit more clarity. (I like to think of the DBA rules as ‘software’ for playing ancient warfare, and the FAQ is a sort of ‘patch’ to fill in some of the details)Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018
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