A shooting dilemma in DBA 3.0

Yup - I’m with you on this one, Stevie. The players will need to declare their shooting targets, before rollling, to see what the combinations will be, taking into account the various rule priorities and implications.

P

Stevie's interp still represents a massive change in how Bow shooting priority works and what Phil intended (but I agree did not make clear).

Under Stevie Rule Red Bow1 can pick a non-Bow target even though there is a eligible Bow in arc and range. Likewise then the Blue Bow is free to shoot at something else. It also makes a difference on "gang ups" as Bow that could shot at other Bow can now instead gang up on a single target (I assume this would have to be declared with the potential to be vetoed or not by other eligible opposing Bow).

If players want the 12 element tournament game to work this way - I'm fine though I don't think its a very good idea. But recognize that its a big (and unintended) change.

TomT

I think I understand what you are saying Tom.

Should the shooting priority on page 10 paragraph 4 be interpreted like this?:-
“Bows and War Wagons must shoot at a target in their TZ. If there is none, they must shoot at a target that ‘could’ shoot at them. If neither, they can choose any eligible target”.

If so, then Tony’s original picture on the first page of this thread would have the following outcomes:-
　　a) the Red Bow MUST shoot at one of the Blue Bows (but which one?...no rule says you must shoot the closest target).
　　b) BOTH Blue Bows MUST shoot the Red Bow (after all, either of them could be shot at by the Red Bow).
(This seems a bit harsh on Blue Bow 3, especially as that Red Kn is the greatest threat)

Still, like Tony Aguilar, I’ll abide by whatever the FAQ Team finally decides.



Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018

DBA, a simple fast play game for quick pick up games.
Just as well non of my armies shoot.

Following on from my previous post, let us now look at the effects of ‘Third Party Shooting’.
(I should have added this to my previous post, but it was getting late, and even someone as good looking as Stevie needs his beauty sleep!  )

Take the following situation:-

　　Red Army =       Kn  Bw

　　Blue Army =      Bw  Art

It is the Blue player’s bound, and he decides to shoot both the Blue Bow and the Blue Art at the Red Kn.
As the Blue Bow is nearest to the designated target, it will be the ‘primary shooter’, with the Art shooting in support (rule 10.5).
The Red Bow, which is not being shot at, can chose it’s target, and decides to shoot at the Blue Art.
Note that the Blue Art does not shoot back at the Red Bow, as Art have no shooting priority limitations (rule 10.4).

This is a ‘Third Party Shooting’ situation, as the Blue Art is not shooting at the Red Bow, so the Red Bow ignores any adverse result.
Therefore the Blue Art is only using it’s combat roll to determine how it fares against being shot at by the Red Bow.
It will not use this combat roll against the Red Kn, as it is merely the support and not the primary shooter.

Had the Red Player decided to shoot the Blue Bow instead, then the Blue Bow would have had it’s target choice vetoed as it must shoot back at the Red Bow. That would leave the Blue Art shooting at the Red Kn all on it’s own, so then it would become the primary shooter, and it’s combat roll would count.



Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018