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Post by ronisan on Oct 19, 2017 6:55:24 GMT
The sentence that worries me is: "One party moves the minimum distance to so conform." This seems to say after you figure out who has to conform then only 'one party' moves to conform. TomT Hello TomT, well ... as a non native speaker ... what else should I grasp of the term 'one party'? That sentence is confusing me a lot! The game is played by two 'parties' - isn't it? I had the idea, that it only explains the fact that: If an element or group needs to conform, it has to conform into the direction of moving the shortest distance (like it is shown in figure 12d). ... ? e.g. "The party which has to conform moves the minimum distance to do so."
Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 18, 2017 15:31:13 GMT
@ stevie I always highly appreciate your inputs here. Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 18, 2017 14:22:10 GMT
Hello Stevie, and what about keeping it simple? Just leaving the pursuing element "B" in that position ... happy enough to 'ZOC' those two blue elements? Spending one PIP in the next bound to make contact to their flanks? Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 18, 2017 12:50:31 GMT
But what if they don’t have enough movement to line-up…and pursuing foot rarely do. And what about pursuing element ‘B’? Are we to assume that these so called impetuous troops are too timid to make contact so they halt before contact? That doesn’t sound very impetuous to me! Much better to have it use it's free 1 BW conforming allotment to line-up with the flank of the column, which will then turn to face (assuming that element 'A' is not there of course). It will mean that sometimes troops will exceed their normal movement…but they do anyway when they free slide. And it does mean that all those contacts in diagram 10 on page 20 will be legal…they just haven’t conformed yet. But all this is for the better: it’s quick, it’s clear, it solves potential conforming problems, and it speeds up the game by reducing the need to make fiddly measurements with 15mm figures (important when you have fingers like bananas like me! )
Hello Stevie, did you consider, that 'pursuing' is a combat outcome move (like recoil and flee) and not part of 'movement'? It doesn't count as movement. So - troops don't exceed their normal movement by pursuing. See page 9: "Elements contacted this bound by enemy or whose front edge ist still in contact when combat ends automatically conform if necessary." Please, don't make DBA 3.1 more complicated than DBA 3.0!!! DBA 3.0 works in a wonderful way! Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 18, 2017 6:28:30 GMT
Hi, yes, one dice roll for each of your terrain features. Ploughs must be placed to be partially in an adjacent quarter!
Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 16, 2017 6:44:29 GMT
Hello Antoine,
you should mark the front edges of the elements. Without that - it's hard to tell.
Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 12, 2017 6:42:34 GMT
Hello Paddy, your army looks fantasitc! And your pictures are a wonderful example of how great it looks to design the bases according to the battleboard. Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 11, 2017 14:06:20 GMT
Well, dear gentlemen, what about convincing Mr. "My Name is Musashi" and Mr. "Tony Aguilar" to make some more of their splendid YouTube Videos? E.g. the "dos & don'ts of moving into contact, conforming, being lined up"? That would save us all a lot of typing - I suppose. www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPbrwPKb2QUwww.youtube.com/watch?v=-4kXhnZ9HngCheers, Ronald. P.S. That would be great for a foreign guy like me
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Post by ronisan on Oct 11, 2017 12:32:36 GMT
Hi Ronald, It's good to see that our ' contact' has turned out to be useful.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 11, 2017 12:20:20 GMT
As for the notorious diagram 13d…is it really any different from the following diagrams?:- Figure 13a: Unable to line-up Figure 13b: Unable to line-up Figure 13c: Unable to line-up The rule on page 9 paragraph 10 (‘If Conforming Prevented’) seems pretty clear.
Hi Stevie, In figure 13a, the moving element made contact with his front edge (partially) to the enemy front edge -> unable to conform -> contacted enemy element has the choice (conforming or fighting with -1). In figure 13b, the moving elemenst made contact with their front edge (partially) to the enemy front edge -> unable to conform -> contacted enemy element has the choice (conforming or fighting with -1). In figure 13c, the moving elements made contact with their front edge (partially) to the enemy front edge -> unable to conform -> contacted enemy element can't conform either (must fighting with -1). In figure 13d, the moving elements made contact with their front edge to the enemy corners (!?) ... for me, that is a great difference. Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 11, 2017 11:34:03 GMT
@ Stevie
Hi, I'm absolutely "conform" to your explanations! :-)
Cheers Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 11, 2017 8:43:15 GMT
Actually, Bob has reminded me of another inconsistency with the "Moving into Contact" rules. The very last sentence of page 9 paragraph 10 says:- "Unless turning to face a flank or rear contact, contacted elements conform on contact."
Hello Stevie, maybe that is meant to be after movement and after combat? ... e.g. if your pursuing element runs into a new enemy element?Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 11, 2017 7:24:30 GMT
@ medievalthomas
Hello TomT,
you're really telling us, that in a 142 pages rulebook, there wasn't enough space to add a few lines which could have explained, that "corner-to-edge or edge-to-corner contact" is allowed?
Cheers, Ronald.
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Post by ronisan on Oct 11, 2017 6:53:21 GMT
Hello Stevie,
Wow ... thank you. Now you've realized my major problem :-)
(How does this bloody 'quoting' work ? ... aaaaah ... Quote:
The rule on page 9 paragraph 10 says:-
“A single element contacted by a group conforms to it (unless in rough or bad going, etc…)”
Fair enough…the group is moving, it has made contact, but the single element must do the conforming.
However, the rule above this on page 9 paragraph 9 says:-
“At the end of the bound’s movement phase, the contacting element, or at least one element of the contacting
group, must be lined-up with an enemy element, etc…”
This is implying that the troops doing the contacting must do the conforming.
So rule 9.10 says the single element must conform…but rule 9.9 says the contacting group must conform!
They can’t both be right!
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Post by ronisan on Oct 10, 2017 10:33:05 GMT
Hello Stevie,
the 28mm-Tournament in ULM was great! There were 16 players ... and I'm quite contend with my 3rd rank :-)
Discussing figure 13d with different participants at ULM led us to the following conclusion: Contact is allowed only like shown in figure 9a. In the (exceptional) case of figure 13d, the attacker ("A-C") is allowed to contact using just one PIP for his entire group. It is looked upon as a kind of "punishment" for players, who play "unfair" ... in a way to place their elements/groups the way the defender ("X/W" and "Y/Z") did. So he has to conform or to accept the overlaps against him. But figure 13d is said to be in contradiction/opposite to what is written in the rules.
Cheers, Ronald.
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