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Post by Brian Ború on Mar 11, 2023 16:22:06 GMT
Somehow a short time ago I found that my normal plough, enclosure or wheatfield looked rather boring, more like a 20th century monoculture than like ancient times or the middle ages. So I tried to turn my dull doormat into fields of gold and decorated it with cornflowers, buttercups and poppies... Some green bushes and parts of the wheat, sprinkled with dots of yellow, red and blue colours.
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Post by carll on Mar 13, 2023 20:59:29 GMT
Now thats neat 'Brain Boru' and useful right up to modern times. In fact even in 21st century you still get some wheat / cereal crop fields with other plants sneakily invading from dock plants to cornflowers and poppies to others; in fact we may see a return to such sights given (in UK) trials of flower strips in fields to encourage biodiversity. Anyway I stray. Great and simple modelling idea! I shall tart up my fields in similar fashion... now to find the tarts, sorry flowers.... CarlL
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Post by elliesdad on Mar 13, 2023 21:26:21 GMT
Your field looks lovely Brian Ború. I appreciate we currently have large & very uniform fields - but back in the Middle Ages the “fields” were subdivided into numerous strips (ensuring everyone got a fair share of the good land as well as a share of the less fertile ground). Perhaps we ought to consider modelling wheat/barley etc with some areas of good growth but other areas - the less fertile soil - with medium or low quality crop growth. And I agree with previous comments about adding a variety of other plants/flowers/crops etc. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by timurilank on Mar 14, 2023 9:53:29 GMT
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Post by carll on Mar 14, 2023 19:41:49 GMT
Geoff
Is that a 'Saxon' common land approach that lingered on in England or just unique to England of medieval period onwards?
Another possibility for your strip, might be a varied use: pigs in pens on poorer land (or even brambles for fruit berries?) and other parts divided between vegetables and cereal crops? Perhaps even one cow or goat tethered to patch of grassland?
In economies with wealthy landowners, large estates with open fields (and probable slaves attending it in Roman times), might have seen large open field systems; but this might be true of city states with rich agricultural land like Greek colonists in Bosporan kingdom?
Interesting aspect of human geography that I know little about... CarlL
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Post by elliesdad on Mar 14, 2023 20:17:03 GMT
Geoff Is that a 'Saxon' common land approach that lingered on in England or just unique to England of medieval period onwards? Another possibility for your strip, might be a varied use: pigs in pens on poorer land (or even brambles for fruit berries?) and other parts divided between vegetables and cereal crops? Perhaps even one cow or goat tethered to patch of grassland? In economies with wealthy landowners, large estates with open fields (and probable slaves attending it in Roman times), might have seen large open field systems; but this might be true of city states with rich agricultural land like Greek colonists in Bosporan kingdom? Interesting aspect of human geography that I know little about... CarlL To be fair CarlL I have absolutely no idea and know little about it either. It just set me off wondering why fields & crops are what they are. I suspect most gamers believe “a field is a field is a field” and would probably use the same representation of a wheat/barley/oats/grassy crop from the Nile valley in 1300 BC through to 1st century Gaul, 11th century Byzantium or 20th century Ukraine. But surely that’s not correct/right/appropriate? Wikipedia explains the English strip system better than I could but, as you say, if someone has a number of strips of land of varying quality then it makes sense to utilise the land to best effect - so the “poorer” land is used for pigs and animals or root crops. Chickens roam free and fruit & berries are taken from hedges. The long and short of it though is that I absolutely approve of Brian Boru’s terrain modelling. 👏👏 Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Cromwell on Mar 15, 2023 8:12:29 GMT
In East Anglia there are places you can still identify the old "Ridge and Furrow" field shapes. Mainly on pasture land that has not been intensively cultivated.
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Post by Brian Ború on Mar 15, 2023 11:28:15 GMT
In East Anglia there are places you can still identify the old "Ridge and Furrow" field shapes. Mainly on pasture land that has not been intensively cultivated. And was the holy lamb of god on England's pleasant pastures seen...
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Post by carll on Mar 16, 2023 20:32:30 GMT
Not getting into religion or crusader mode are we 'Brian'?
I am with Geoff: "I absolutely approve of Brian Boru’s terrain modelling." It was another of your easy to do but quite beautiful terrain ideas.
And 'Cromwell' has a point too, agricultural systems persist and recur as a result, or sometimes can be seen in landscape as relics where perhaps otherwise forgotten, despite the enclosures and later 'big field for big tractor' developments in UK agriculture... not that my knowledge of human or economic geography goes much beyond what I learned way back in 'high' school.
But definitely fun to model and play with.
a PS of sorts to Brian:
Do you or did you glue your additions into your field? Your "sprinkled" as in "Some green bushes and parts of the wheat, sprinkled with dots of yellow, red and blue colours." made it sound quite random and just dropped in but I suspect takes more effort? I know from trying to colour and shape those carpet tile 'cereal' crop fields that pushing things into them is not easy and can lead to serious pain if using fingers and said fibre mat penetrates between nail and end of finger. It's a definite 'ouchy' .. so I am thinking pressing back fibre with blunt screwdriver while inserting flower or bush with tweezers (having already lubricated implant with tacky pva glue? So Brian share your sprinkle method with us admirers of your ochre and coloured pleasant land of cereals? CarlL
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Post by Brian Ború on Mar 16, 2023 23:06:57 GMT
Not getting into religion or crusader mode are we 'Brian'? I am with Geoff: "I absolutely approve of Brian Boru’s terrain modelling." It was another of your easy to do but quite beautiful terrain ideas. And 'Cromwell' has a point too, agricultural systems persist and recur as a result, or sometimes can be seen in landscape as relics where perhaps otherwise forgotten, despite the enclosures and later 'big field for big tractor' developments in UK agriculture... not that my knowledge of human or economic geography goes much beyond what I learned way back in 'high' school. But definitely fun to model and play with. a PS of sorts to Brian: Do you or did you glue your additions into your field? Your "sprinkled" as in "Some green bushes and parts of the wheat, sprinkled with dots of yellow, red and blue colours." made it sound quite random and just dropped in but I suspect takes more effort? I know from trying to colour and shape those carpet tile 'cereal' crop fields that pushing things into them is not easy and can lead to serious pain if using fingers and said fibre mat penetrates between nail and end of finger. It's a definite 'ouchy' .. so I am thinking pressing back fibre with blunt screwdriver while inserting flower or bush with tweezers (having already lubricated implant with tacky pva glue? So Brian share your sprinkle method with us admirers of your ochre and coloured pleasant land of cereals? CarlL Oh, yes, certainly, but there is really nothing to it. I'm really happy that my little weed pleases you... With flat nose pliers I tore some holes into the "wheat" and glued green bushes into them (you know them from base making). Then I applied different oil colours (red, dark and light blue, yellow and green) with toothpicks onto the bushes and the wheat in bigger and smaller drops or some thin traces. The oil colours take quite long to dry, but are very intense and colorful. And give the impression of weed and flowers. And I tried to achieve a more natural look by building groups of cornflowers etc. but not regularly and sometimes intermingling (right word?) them. Most of the time I use fast drying wood glue (Ponal Express), because it stays flexible, works well with styrofoam and endures UV...
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Post by carll on Mar 17, 2023 20:18:08 GMT
'Brian Boru' Yes right word !! Your English is a far far better than my schuler Deutsch.... (or something like that) .... Zwei bier bitte und so weiter...
And Danke schon (no umlaut on my keyboard sorry!) for mini tutorial.... oil paints ... I would never have guessed that one....
All best Carl
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Post by Brian Ború on Mar 17, 2023 20:43:25 GMT
'Brian Boru' Yes right word !! Your English is a far far better than my schuler Deutsch.... (or something like that) .... Zwei bier bitte und so weiter... And Danke schon (no umlaut on my keyboard sorry!) for mini tutorial.... oil paints ... I would never have guessed that one.... All best Carl Gern geschehen! Das Leben ist zu kurz, um Deutsch zu lernen. Oscar Wilde
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Post by carll on Mar 23, 2023 21:50:05 GMT
'Brian Boru' De nada (as they say in most parts of Spain... or back in my homeland 'AwRiteLah' )
CarlL going multi lingual and needing to sit down and recover....
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Post by eg407 on Mar 24, 2023 17:45:44 GMT
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Post by Brian Ború on Mar 25, 2023 18:15:23 GMT
Indeed, very interesting!
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