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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 7, 2022 16:53:09 GMT
De Bellis Antiquitatis 3.0 Events - Historicon 2022 - July 20-23 - Lancaster, PAUnless otherwise noted, all below events are in 15mm scale and will be three rounds. Bring an army from the DBA 3.0 rulebook that fits the criteria of the event and their appropriate terrain. Boards provided – Award for top scoring player in each event. More info here: www.hmgs.org/mpage/HconInfoWednesday 7PM-11PM The Blind General15mm. The additional rules for Blind General will be use which involves hidden PIP rolling. Eligible army must have at least one El or a Hd. GM: Tony Aguilar Thursday 9AM-1PM Wimp Wars15mm. Eligible army must have a minimum of SIX LH and/or Ps elements in any combination. GM: Tony Aguilar Thursday 2:30PM-6:30 PM Byzantium at War15mm. Eligible army must an army of Byzantium from the following list– III/4, III/17, III/29, III/76, III/65, IV/1, IV/31, IV/33, IV/34, IV/50, IV/51 – or one of their enemies. GM: Mitch Harbach Thursday 8PM-12AM Asian Persuasion15mm. Eligible army must be an army that is listed in the Geographical Index on Page 137 under China, Chinese Borderlands, Japan, Korea, South-east Asia, or Tibet. GM: Tony Aguilar Friday 9AM-1PM Mounted Mayhem15mm. Eligible army must have a minimum of NINE mounted elements (Kn, Cv, LH, Cm, LCm, EL etc.) Mounted infantry do NOT count towards this requirement. GM: Mitch Harbach Friday 2:30PM-6:30PM Allies15mm. Eligible army must have at least one Allied contingent. GM: Tony Aguilar Friday 8PM-12AM Now That’s Italian!15mm. Eligible army must be either III/73 Communal Italian, III/77 Papal Italian, IV/61 Italian Condotta or an enemy of one those three armies. GM: Mitch Harbach Saturday 9AM-2PM Collision Course15mm. Bring any army but the Collision Course rules will be used. These rules simulate two forced on the march who blunder into each other and are created by David Lawrence of Australia. There rules are available in the Files section of the DBA Facebook page. GM: Mitch Harbach Saturday 6PM-11PM NICT15mm. Bring any army but each player must be a verified tournament winner since the last NICT in 2019 or a previous NICT winner. GM: Tony Aguilar
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Post by paulisper on Jun 7, 2022 18:21:22 GMT
I do need to get my ass over to Historicon at some point in the near future…
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Post by gregorius on Jun 7, 2022 23:28:17 GMT
I do need to get my ass over to Historicon at some point in the near future… P Paul, I've attended twice and had a thoroughly enjoyable time. First time with fellow Fanatic MarkBB and the 2nd time with Wf(S). On both trips battlefield tours were included. Cheers, |
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Post by gregorius on Jun 7, 2022 23:29:56 GMT
Some great themes there Tony. Looking forward to any reports that come out of Historicon.
Cheers,
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Post by paulisper on Jun 8, 2022 7:08:30 GMT
I do need to get my ass over to Historicon at some point in the near future… P Paul, I've attended twice and had a thoroughly enjoyable time. First time with fellow Fanatic MarkBB and the 2nd time with Wf(S). On both trips battlefield tours were included. Cheers, Yup, no doubt if you go all that way, extra tourism is a must… 😎 P |
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Post by paulhannah on Jun 8, 2022 8:27:26 GMT
Hmm, another quick, cross-country junket to get in some great DBA with you guys? Yeah, maybe...
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Post by sheffmark on Jun 8, 2022 13:14:58 GMT
I do need to get my ass over to Historicon at some point in the near future… P Totally agree Paul, but think how much of your baggage allowance would be eaten up by all the armies you'd need to take! I must admit I'd discussed the idea of a weekend DBA or DBA/HOTT tournament with Simon, but he didn't think there would be a demand for it. (Though of course Britcon is run from Fri night to Sunday afternoon.) Also if you have between 10 -16 players, or more (which seems the usual number of entrants in the UK,) having lots of sessions of only 3 rounds could make it a bit unbalanced? |
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 8, 2022 14:03:48 GMT
I do need to get my ass over to Historicon at some point in the near future… P Totally agree Paul, but think how much of your baggage allowance would be eaten up by all the armies you'd need to take! I must admit I'd discussed the idea of a weekend DBA or DBA/HOTT tournament with Simon, but he didn't think there would be a demand for it. (Though of course Britcon is run from Fri night to Sunday afternoon.) Also if you have between 10 -16 players, or more (which seems the usual number of entrants in the UK,) having lots of sessions of only 3 rounds could make it a bit unbalanced? Rarely do we have more than 10 players in a game. I don't remember the last time 1st and 2nd place never played each other. Also the time limit is really discouraging for new or rusty players of which there is always a fair number of. Even though these are tournaments, they are still friendly games. |
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Post by paulisper on Jun 8, 2022 17:07:16 GMT
I do need to get my ass over to Historicon at some point in the near future… P Totally agree Paul, but think how much of your baggage allowance would be eaten up by all the armies you'd need to take! I must admit I'd discussed the idea of a weekend DBA or DBA/HOTT tournament with Simon, but he didn't think there would be a demand for it. (Though of course Britcon is run from Fri night to Sunday afternoon.) I’m of the belief that we won’t know until we try… it would certainly be interesting to mix things up a bit from our normal modus operandi P |
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Post by menacussecundus on Jun 8, 2022 19:27:27 GMT
Totally agree Paul, but think how much of your baggage allowance would be eaten up by all the armies you'd need to take! I must admit I'd discussed the idea of a weekend DBA or DBA/HOTT tournament with Simon, but he didn't think there would be a demand for it. (Though of course Britcon is run from Fri night to Sunday afternoon.) I’m of the belief that we won’t know until we try… it would certainly be interesting to mix things up a bit from our normal modus operandi P And Britcon, where we would be piggy-backing on an established two-day structure, would seem a sensible place to try it. |
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Post by gregorius on Jun 8, 2022 23:41:41 GMT
I do need to get my ass over to Historicon at some point in the near future… P Totally agree Paul, but think how much of your baggage allowance would be eaten up by all the armies you'd need to take! I must admit I'd discussed the idea of a weekend DBA or DBA/HOTT tournament with Simon, but he didn't think there would be a demand for it. (Though of course Britcon is run from Fri night to Sunday afternoon.) Also if you have between 10 -16 players, or more (which seems the usual number of entrants in the UK,) having lots of sessions of only 3 rounds could make it a bit unbalanced? On the 2 occasions when I attended Historicon armies, terrain and peripherals were contained in a soft overnight bag which I took as carry on luggage. For all flights security wasn't an issue and the figures certainly piqued the interest of the guards both here in Australia and when I landed in the US. With regards to a 2 day tournament, there are a number of ways that you could attack it. When I run MOAB, the first day is 6 round themed competition either based on a troop type, a geographic location or a specific time period. The 2nd day has been a campaign with themes such as the Mongol wars, establishing the Shogunate in Japan or a Steppe theme where all armies have Steppe as their home terrain. This year I'll be presenting 10 scenarios based on battles fought in Britain, with me supplying armies and preset terrain, much like Paul Murgatroyd does. At CANCON the 2 days are divided into armies from Books 1 and 2 for day 1, and Books 3 and 4 for the second day. Cheers, |
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Post by sheffmark on Jun 9, 2022 8:38:11 GMT
I’m of the belief that we won’t know until we try… it would certainly be interesting to mix things up a bit from our normal modus operandi P And Britcon, where we would be piggy-backing on an established two-day structure, would seem a sensible place to try it. Hmm, I think Simon has struggled for entrants to this year's one day event at £25. As they are charging £40 - £45 to attend a two day competition at Britcon (plus £60 - £110 for accommodation, plus parking charges,) I'm not sure that would be the best place to try? On the other hand it may limit the number of competitors to allow a format similar to the one Tony is running, if that's what the aim is. |
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Post by menacussecundus on Jun 9, 2022 9:53:06 GMT
And Britcon, where we would be piggy-backing on an established two-day structure, would seem a sensible place to try it. Hmm, I think Simon has struggled for entrants to this year's one day event at £25. As they are charging £40 - £45 to attend a two day competition at Britcon (plus £60 - £110 for accommodation, plus parking charges,) I'm not sure that would be the best place to try? On the other hand it may limit the number of competitors to allow a format similar to the one Tony is running, if that's what the aim is. That may be a consequence of our geography. Many competitions are close enough to get there and back in a day, with enough time to have played 5 or 6 games in the day. I'm assuming that players in Australia and north America have longer journeys and, having gone all that way, are keen to maximise the number of games they can fit in. if we want to attempt a two-day competition in the UK, there is no getting round the cost of accommodation, meals and travel. After that, I think how one views the entrance fee is largely the psychology of the individual; either, "I'm already paying £200 for a weekend away. I'm blowed if I'm going to pay £45 on top of that!" or "I'm already paying £200. What's another £45?" (I realize that £45 is quite a lot of money for some people. But if cash is that tight, they probably wouldn't be considering an event that meant spending £200 on food, accommodation and travel.) |
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 9, 2022 12:47:57 GMT
Hmm, I think Simon has struggled for entrants to this year's one day event at £25. As they are charging £40 - £45 to attend a two day competition at Britcon (plus £60 - £110 for accommodation, plus parking charges,) I'm not sure that would be the best place to try? On the other hand it may limit the number of competitors to allow a format similar to the one Tony is running, if that's what the aim is. That may be a consequence of our geography. Many competitions are close enough to get there and back in a day, with enough time to have played 5 or 6 games in the day. I'm assuming that players in Australia and north America have longer journeys and, having gone all that way, are keen to maximise the number of games they can fit in. We travel 14.5 hours ONE WAY to make Historicon (Florida to Pennsylvania.) Once there we might as well play/run as much stuff as possible. Honestly, taking the time off from work is the biggest problem (not that I am made of money) as it uses up almost 25% of my vacation days. Wargaming is still IMO a cheap hobby. |
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Post by paulisper on Jun 9, 2022 13:59:25 GMT
The use of Britcon would be an interesting one. I can see many positives, in terms of the fact that it's set up for a multi-day tournament format like Historicon and may be relatively easy for us to work a programme in on that basis. To have one themed, 3 game, session on Friday evening, then three sessions on Saturday and two sessions on Sunday, would give a good degree of flexibility to players being able to drop in and out as they like. If you're coming for the Saturday, and staying overnight beforehand, then it's no extra to play on the Friday evening as well (assuming you can make it for then). Likewise, you may just be wanting to be a day tripper on either the Saturday (as I am this year) or the Sunday and this way you can keep costs down, if you wanted to, if that was an issue. The addition of the show, with traders, adds an element in that you don't get at many of our UK DBA one day tournaments - Hammerhead is an exception here and it's a big bonus to have this alongside the tournament. Being able to dip in and out and have the option to miss a 3 game session to have some R&R and see the show could be a nice addition too...
It would also be nice to try a mixed package like this, so that it stays fresh across the weekend. Sometimes, if you're playing the traditional 5 or 6 game format in a day and you're having a bad one (whether because of the army choice or dice luck or both), then it may be a relief to be able to write it all off after 3 games and switch to something completely different.
One to chew over...
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