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Post by felixs on Sept 9, 2017 9:58:53 GMT
Ideally another Maori iwi (tribe) as I prefer historical opponents. That is what I meant. They have no other historical opponent according to the list. Even though I would think that it is not too far fetched to put another sea-faring army from roughly that area against them. Your figures look great. And a DBM army of Maori is quite something. That is only Bd(F) and nothing else? Wow...  How does that play? Both in DBA and DBM? |
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Post by twrnz on Sept 9, 2017 10:23:21 GMT
In DBR they have a few skirmishers, which are useful, and naval in the form of waka. Everything else is Bd(F). The scouts are mentioned in a few accounts in the Musket Wars which started around 1800 and ran to around 1840. In DBR I had historically used English Civil War armies and played cautiously. The Maori taught me to attack. They suffer terribly from musket fire but sweep away muskets, or die themselves in close combat. Mutual quick kills in the Bd turn with enemy musket. Games are quick against musket armed Europeans. They waka look impressive on mass, but I've had no success with them!  |
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Post by felixs on Sept 9, 2017 11:31:07 GMT
In DBR they have a few skirmishers, which are useful, and naval in the form of waka. Everything else is Bd(F). DBR, of course. Sorry for confusing that with DBM. In DBM it seems to be Irr Bd(F) only. Nothing else... A few skirmishers surely would come handy... |
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Post by goragrad on Sept 9, 2017 11:41:24 GMT
Nice looking Maori! timurilank - Good to know, Essex is trying to maximize the number of armies offered and a lot of them end up using the same figures. Of course Duncan just noted over on TMP that he walked away from his Bactrian Guard Cavalry illustration in AOTM&PW in 2016. But then, it was noted here on Fanaticus not long ago on another topic that the Essex Sung and Khitan Lao were not that accurate (blame Greer???). So having analternate use for those I have picked up as part of another mixed lot is good. |
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Post by felixs on Sept 9, 2017 12:55:44 GMT
Nice looking Maori! timurilank - Good to know, Essex is trying to maximize the number of armies offered and a lot of them end up using the same figures. True. Just would like to add that I think that Essex does this in a way that is mostly sensible. All the army packs I have from them have been good and all those that I looked into (including some more exotic ones) were at least ok. (Of course, for many of the armies, especially the less well-known ones, it is not even really clear what they should look like.) It might be interesting to have a list of armies that lack figures and can thus not be built. We had a thread on Vietnamese armies earlier, which illustrated the problem with building Vietnamese armies due to a lack of suitable figures. I can think of no other example. (Depends, of course, on how "accurate" one feels one has to be and also depends on what quality of figures one finds acceptable and what figures one is ok with mixing etc.) |
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Post by timurilank on Sept 9, 2017 15:29:23 GMT
Nice looking Maori! timurilank - Good to know, Essex is trying to maximize the number of armies offered and a lot of them end up using the same figures. Of course Duncan just noted over on TMP that he walked away from his Bactrian Guard Cavalry illustration in AOTM&PW in 2016. But then, it was noted here on Fanaticus not long ago on another topic that the Essex Sung and Khitan Lao were not that accurate (blame Greer???). So having analternate use for those I have picked up as part of another mixed lot is good.
I would not fault John Greer. I was there during John’s lecture of the Han Dynasty given before the publication of his book as part of the Society of Ancients (Western USA) first convention in 1975/76. Considering the limited amount of information we knew about Chinese history, to listen to details about organization, uniforms, weapons and battles of the Han Chinese was simply inspiring.
Thus, we were happy when manufacturers, such as Essex and Hinchliffe, took steps to produce 25mm figures from his book. Forty-two years on there are few manufacturers that have the resources or time to invest to make changes to existing lists or add new ones based on the latest research; after all, Vikings, Normans and Saxons still sell.
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Post by sonic on Sept 9, 2017 19:34:28 GMT
The older 25mm figures by manufacturers such as Hinchliffe, Essex, and 'Minifigs'do look a little 'naive' when compared to those by makers using more technical equipment and more up-to-date information. I still prefer them, as well as other similar styles of figures, as with a little detailed painting they still can come out great, and I feel can have a better look when used en mass.
I agree that one of the reasons for armies not being used is the lack of suitable figures, but is there also a case for many of them simply being not used as they are 'boring'? Endless repetitions of '4Bw' or '3/4Wb' ...
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Post by sonic on Sept 13, 2017 16:55:00 GMT
I've been digging around the depths of DBA 3 and have decided there are three (almost) definitive reasons for non- use. 1) The armies - and their opponents - are almost exactly the same and so they arouse little or no interest in gamers. 2) Due to the apparent lack of interest, manufacturers are unwilling to put in the time to research and then produce the figures needed. 3) With no figures, the (few?) who are interested don't have access to the figures they need.
A case in point. I've always been a little interested in Aztec/Inca/South American armies. When I looked at the list I was intrigued by the North-Western Americans (IV/11): an interesting combination of Bd, Bw and Ps. When I then saw it could have Hawaiians and Aztecs as enemies, I became even more interested.
What figures could be used, and in which scale? Quick Google search: nothing! Is this why I have never seen them?
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Post by paulhannah on Sept 13, 2017 17:40:31 GMT
I was intrigued by the North-Western Americans (IV/11): an interesting combination of Bd, Bw and Ps. What figures could be used, and in which scale? Oh, but there is an outstanding range of 15mm figures for IV/11 NW Americans. Made by Eureka Miniatures, and available here in the US or from Eureka in Australia. Here are pics of my Tlingit army, albeit still in its un-renovated, DBA-2 form. |
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Post by gregorius on Sept 14, 2017 0:12:05 GMT
I have to agree with Paul. The Eureka figures are superb.
Cheers,
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Post by sonic on Sept 14, 2017 6:18:24 GMT
Nice painting Paul - I hate you with a passion you can only imagine!!  The question is, how much to post them to the UK? Or is there a UK distributor? Suppose an email is in order ..... I'd be interested in getting those, plus the Hawaiians and Aztecs to face them. |
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Post by goragrad on Sept 14, 2017 8:00:24 GMT
Nice army Paul.
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Post by matakakea on Sept 14, 2017 13:25:48 GMT
Sonic,
The Tlingt figures are available in the UK from Fighting 15s. I received my order of them just two days ago and am well pleased with them
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Post by sonic on Sept 14, 2017 17:13:19 GMT
Thanks matakakea - will now look through the lists and get an order ready. It's a long time since I painted 15mms!!
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Post by Haardrada on Sept 15, 2017 13:31:40 GMT
Are there any Commagene armies out there?
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How does that play? Both in DBA and DBM?
The question is, how much to post them to the UK? Or is there a UK distributor? Suppose an email is in order ..... I'd be interested in getting those, plus the Hawaiians and Aztecs to face them.