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Post by genoansteel on Mar 3, 2017 2:08:05 GMT
Hello Gents, Just need some clarification on this situation. Bow(X) declares it will shoot at Cv with support from Bow(Y).
Bow(B), who is out of LOF of both Bow(X) and Bow(Y) declares it will shoot at Bow(X)
The following rule appears at the bottom of the section on Distant Shooting.
“If a shooter whose target does not shoot back is shot at by a third party, this is resolved first, then it shoots using the same dice score.”
So Bow(B)’s attack is resolved first and as it happens, Bow(B) destroys Bow(X) with a 6-2 result.
What happens next?
a. Since Bow(X) was the primary shooter, the attack by Bow(Y) is now cancelled and it does not get to shoot this bound.
b. The declared attack by Bow(X+Y) is still carried out using the die roll of “2”, with Bow(Y) becoming the primary shooter.
c. The declared attack by Bow(X+Y) is cancelled, but since Bow(Y) had not attacked this bound, it can declare a new attack against Cv, rolling its own die.
d. Other
Thanks for any answers.
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Post by scottrussell on Mar 3, 2017 8:10:10 GMT
Must be option c. This would also happen if shooting recoiled bow X out of range of a shot at Cv(A). Bow(Y) must shoot if it can.
Scott
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Mar 3, 2017 15:00:33 GMT
I agree with what Scott said.
Keep in mind the shooting is done in the order the BOUNDING player chooses.
If it is the RED players bound, more than likely it would be chosen to be done in the order you describe.
If it is the BLUE players bound, It is likely that the combined shooting would be done first and whatever the result is the die roll would be kept for use in the die roll response to RED's shooting on it.
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Post by bob on Mar 3, 2017 20:12:48 GMT
It doesn't matter who's bound it is, If X is chosen to shoot first, then B preempts it as the third-party. If the bounding player is blue and picks X , B still shoots first. The more interesting question is what if Blue chooses to shoot with Y first, with support from X?
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Mar 3, 2017 20:34:47 GMT
It doesn't matter who's bound it is, If X is chosen to shoot first, then B preempts it as the third-party. If the bounding player is blue and picks X , B still shoots first. The more interesting question is what if Blue chooses to shoot with Y first, with support from X? On you first point, Bob, I'll have to look at the rules as this is not how we have been doing it. Hmm, we COULD have been wrong (not that this comes up that often.) On your second point, doesn't the CLOSER target have to be the primary shooter? |
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Post by genoansteel on Mar 4, 2017 7:43:28 GMT
@scott Thanks for the reply, that’s how we played it as well, just looking for some consensus. @tony It was Blue’s bound, but the rule I quoted in the OP allows the red Bow to preempt blue Bow’s attack. The main question is whether the die rolled by Bow(X) will be used against the attack against Cv(A) We also play the CLOSER element has to be the primary shooter, but I can't seem to find it in the rulebook. bobYes, we were also wondering what would happen if Cv(A) had been closer to Y, making X the supporting shooter instead of the primary. Obviously the attack by Y would go on, but does it use the dice roll of “2” or roll a new die. |
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Post by stevie on Mar 4, 2017 10:16:12 GMT
@scott @tony We also play the CLOSER element has to be the primary shooter, but I can't seem to find it in the rulebook.
I can...I think.
Page 10, paragraph 5 says:-
“A second or third element shooting at the same target aids the shooting of the nearest by providing it with a tactical factor...”
However, there are two different ways of interpreting the word ‘nearest’.
Does it mean:-
“A second or third element shooting at the same target aids the shooting of the nearest (element to that enemy?) by providing it with a tactical factor...”
Or does it mean:-
“A second or third element shooting at the same target aids the shooting of the nearest (primary shooter to that supporting element?) by providing it with a tactical factor...”
Personally, I prefer the first interpretation, as shooting would have the most effect against the closest rather than a more distant enemy, and the closest enemy is also likely to be the most immediate threat.
Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, including the latest FAQ and the Quick Reference Sheets from the Society of Ancients:-
fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
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Post by Haardrada on Mar 4, 2017 10:26:21 GMT
Common sence would suggest that the nearest is the closest element.
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Post by stevie on Mar 4, 2017 11:22:20 GMT
Common sence would suggest that the nearest is the closest element.
I agree...the closest enemy.
Perhaps this little bit of confusion has come about because players are choosing their shooters incorrectly.
They should not say “this element will shoot that at that enemy, and it will be supported by this and that element”.
What they should be saying is “these three elements will be shooting at that enemy”, and the primary shooter is then chosen by the rules to be the closest of the three.
This way the player whose bound it is still gets to pick their target (which may or may not be the closest enemy), but the rules decide which shooting element will be the primary shooter.
Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, including the latest FAQ and the Quick Reference Sheets from the Society of Ancients:-
fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
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Post by stevie on Mar 4, 2017 12:22:45 GMT
Common sence would suggest that the nearest is the closest element.
I agree...the closest enemy.
Perhaps this little bit of confusion has come about because players are choosing their shooters incorrectly.
They should not say “this element will shoot that at that enemy, and it will be supported by this and that element”.
What they should be saying is “these three elements will be shooting at that enemy”, and the primary shooter is then chosen by the rules to be the closest of the three.
This way the player whose bound it is still gets to pick their target (which may or may not be the closest enemy), but the rules decide which shooting element will be the primary shooter.
Additional:-
Note that the above only affects multiple shooting elements targeting an enemy, not single shooters without support.
For example: if you have an artillery element say 4 BW from an enemy and a bow only 2 BW from the same enemy, and decide that both will target it, then obviously the bow will be the primary shooter as it is the nearest to the target and the artillery will only shoot in support.
But if the bow picks an alternative target, then the artillery will be shooting on its own, and it will be the closest shooter so it will be the primary.
(Could be important as bows only have a combat factor of 2 against foot while field artillery has a combat factor of 4.)
Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, including the latest FAQ and the Quick Reference Sheets from the Society of Ancients:-
fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
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Post by bob on Mar 4, 2017 21:48:00 GMT
Yes indeed I forgot that aspect. If up to three elements are shooting at one enemy then the shooter closest to the enemy is the primary shooter and the other to provide a -1 tactical factor.
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Post by medievalthomas on Mar 7, 2017 18:38:00 GMT
The primary shooter must be the nearest to the enemy - measured from closest point to closet point (like range).
Don't forget you keep the same dice role for all shooting.
TomT
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