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Post by Tony Aguilar on Feb 28, 2017 13:57:55 GMT
We had this situation come up last night in one of our games. The Ptolemaic (green based stands) is fighting the Medieval Germans (brown based stands.) The Ptolemaic pike block attacks a German spear with no recoil.  It won the combat and now has to advance 20mm until it encounters the German Art element.  What happens at this point? I cannot paraphrase the rules as they are not nearby. 1. Does the Art get pulled over?  2. Does the Art whole group get pulled over?  3. Does the Pike block conform - and then the Art gets turned to face?  4. Something else? |
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Post by mellis1644 on Feb 28, 2017 15:38:58 GMT
I'm not up on V3 but is that a legal combat contact? I would have thought they just stop a tiny bit before the art.
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Feb 28, 2017 15:50:29 GMT
I'm not up on V3 but is that a legal combat contact? I would have thought they just stop a tiny bit before the art. In v. 3.0 the rule reads something like advances 20mm if they encounter an enemy unit it conforms immediately as if contact is made. We have played HUNDRED of games of 3.0 and still encounter new situations. |
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Post by lkmjbc on Feb 28, 2017 17:18:49 GMT
It stops short. The pursuit is just like a tactical move... 1/2BW in this example. If the pike block can't conform with this movement... it stops short. If it had hit the front of the arty, then the free slide comes into play. On a further note... if the Artillery wasn't in a group backed by the PS... then the Arty would have to conform on contact.
Hope this helps.
Joe Collins
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Post by medievalthomas on Feb 28, 2017 17:57:45 GMT
To add to Joe's point: to contact an element on the side you need enough Movement Allowance to make the move. If contacted on the front the free slide allows extra movement to line up.
So since a Pursing element only has 1/2 BW to Pursue it can't make the move.
If you don't have sufficent movement to make a side contact, I'm not sure this would force the contacted element to conform so in this case being in a Group would be irrelevant. It would be relevant on a front contact.
If you could force an element to conform by a side contact which does not actually have enough MA to be legal - then we would defeat the purpose of the side contact rule. In this case the contact would be illegal and therefore not take place.
TomT
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Feb 28, 2017 18:05:58 GMT
To add to Joe's point: to contact an element on the side you need enough Movement Allowance to make the move. If contacted on the front the free slide allows extra movement to line up. So since a Pursing element only has 1/2 BW to Pursue it can't make the move. If you don't have sufficent movement to make a side contact, I'm not sure this would force the contacted element to conform so in this case being in a Group would be irrelevant. It would be relevant on a front contact. If you could force an element to conform by a side contact which does not actually have enough MA to be legal - then we would defeat the purpose of the side contact rule. In this case the contact would be illegal and therefore not take place. TomT Ok, so it doesn't pursue AT all, or as Joe seems to imply it stops just a smidge away. ...Or would it move up to 20mm and it it touched the Art, then it would just be there, but not cause close combat to happen, nor cause the Art to have to conform? |
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Post by mellis1644 on Mar 1, 2017 13:11:05 GMT
Hey I may have been right, even though I have not read the rules in quite a while.  I would play that it purses up to what it can, but as it can't make legal contact stops just short of the art. |
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Post by bob on Mar 1, 2017 20:49:21 GMT
The conforming rule after pursuit refers only to "If a pursuing element's front edge contacts enemy or its front corner contacts an enemy front edge, they line up immediately as if contact was by a tactical move, but the resulting combat is resolved next bound." So, only if contact by front edge to enemy or Front corner to enemy front edge.
The pike must at least move some , because the only cases when it does not are stated that the first paragraph--would enter certain bad going or cross battle field edge.
Too bad this never came up for consideration during development.
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Post by medievalthomas on Mar 2, 2017 19:37:44 GMT
Sorry I was not clear. I meant it can't make the "conform" move. I assume it just pursues until contact which since its not a legal contact must stop short. Had we thought about this we might have made the "no pursuit/short pursuit" rules consistent. But its a matter upon which we did not think.
TomT
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