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Post by righteousaussiegamer on Jan 16, 2017 23:06:37 GMT
Yes thanks, this is all excellent stuff, One last (nearly sure) little question concerning c) (If YX counts as being at a position flush with B so that C would count as an overlap, as above) a) If say Sp C was not parallel with B but instead was front-edge contact with its flank, with its (C's) right-corner just a millimetre or two above the position of B's Front-edge (So that if YX was in properly aligned with B, C would be in flank-edge contact with it). Does C (although no longer producing and overlap) count as being in Flank-edge contact with group YX? (thereby a recoil on YX would result in its destruction!)... and if not why not? (so far I'd have to say yes). I know this is not strictly a contact question,  Alex Ps: and yes the Crib sheet seems clear. |
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Post by stevie on Jan 17, 2017 20:51:01 GMT
a) If say Sp C was not parallel with B but instead was front-edge contact with its flank, with its (C's) right-corner just a millimetre or two above the position of B's Front-edge (So that if YX was in properly aligned with B, C would be in flank-edge contact with it). Does C (although no longer producing and overlap) count as being in Flank-edge contact with group YX? (thereby a recoil on YX would result in its destruction!)... and if not why not? (so far I'd have to say yes). Sorry, your question is so complicated that I can't understand it! I 'think' the answer is shown in diagram 16b. Blade A in that diagram is mutual edge contact with Knight X, and counts as an overlap. And mutual edge contact is not enough to cause recoil destruction. Only having a front-edge in contact with a flank-edge or rear-edge causes recoil destruction...as shown by Blade D in that diagram.
There is no doubt that making contact and conforming can be tricky.
I find that a checklist or flow chart sometimes helps, like this:-
Step 1: If I move into contact, who will conform? Me or my opponent?
(If the answer is me, go to step 2)
(If the answer is my opponent, go to step 4)
Step 2: Do I have enough movement to be able to conform?
(If the answer is yes, then go to step 3)
(If the answer is no, then contact cannot happen. Think of something else)
Step 3: Do I have enough physical space to conform?
(If the answer is yes, then make legal contact as per page 9 paragraph 9)
(If the answer is no, then go to step 4)
Step 4: My opponent must conform....
....so just move your troops into any kind of contact and let the enemy worry about conforming! 
Later Edit:- You wrote "If say Sp C was not parallel with B but instead was front-edge contact with its flank, with its (C's) right-corner just a millimetre or two above the position of B's Front-edge..."
I think you are referring to the current 'Flank Contacts: Contacts that are not allowed' thread. It is still under debate. However, one thing is NOT under debate...
...if it was your bound, and you moved Spear C into such a position, it would be an illegal move. See diagram 10 for contacts that are not allowed, and read page 9 paragraph 9 for a list of legal contacts. (Basically, conforming requires that opposing front corners be in contact, so Spear C CANNOT be moved into contact where their front corner is just a millimeter or two away from the enemy front corner. It's not allowed. If it was the enemy bound and they moved into such a position...ah, well, that's what the debate is about!)
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Post by righteousaussiegamer on Jan 17, 2017 23:17:40 GMT
Thanks,
Yes, I've just started reading that one. Thanks for the info... it has been enlightening.
Just to clarify, C is moved into position before group AB contacts. I think it may be similar to the other discussion, so all good. Will pick it up there.
cheers,
Alex.
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Post by BrianNZ on Jun 25, 2017 10:05:51 GMT
Had a situation today as Cavalry C contacting Auxilia Z in the flank. Fig 10 page 20.
The Cavalry had plenty of movement available but could not slide into contact with the Auxilia's corner due to friends in combat.
We played it that the Auxilia turned to line up with the Cavalry.
Was this correct ?
Thanks
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Post by stevie on Jun 25, 2017 10:48:23 GMT
I would say yes. Who conforms [9.10]: A single element contacting a single element conforms to it. A single element or group contacting a group conforms to that group. A single element contacted by a group conforms to it (unless itself entirely in bad and/or rough going, then the group conforms). (Conforming does not split groups: only turning to face or combat can do that, or if the group’s owner chooses to - see diagrams 13c and 13d).Conforming prevented: If conforming to a front edge by contactors is prevented by spacing between enemy or physically blocked by elements, terrain or a table edge; contacted elements or groups must either conform or fight as if in full contact and overlapped (see diagrams 13a-13e).When to conform: Unless turning to face a flank or rear contact (see p.10), contacted elements conform at contact. Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, including the latest June 2017 FAQ and the Quick Reference Sheets from the Society of Ancients:-
fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
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Post by medievalthomas on Jun 26, 2017 22:12:08 GMT
Interesting generic mechanics question: why is there an exception in When to confrom, for flank and rear contacts? Why can troops ignore a charing Knight on the flank and hope a supporting Ps wanders into their "front"?
Rule as written is very unpopular locally and I've always wondered about what purpose it serves (other than to maintain TZs).
TomT
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