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Post by vodnik on Jul 15, 2024 8:21:31 GMT
...what really happened with the downfall of Gododdin and what kind of armies are used? They must be Roman Britons, mostly Northumbria. The last battle was the defeat in Edinburgh as far as I know...
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Post by jim1973 on Jul 16, 2024 0:34:32 GMT
I had never heard of them until your post so thank you! Wikipedia has them falling the Angles. As they were north of Hadrian's wall and remembered by the Welsh, maybe the Caledonian army list for earlier and Strathclyde list for later would work?
Cheers
Jim
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Post by vodnik on Jul 16, 2024 6:55:43 GMT
...in Ospreys MAA Elite serie 248 Post-Roman Kingdoms is a quite short description. But that is not the only gap. In DBMM there are Attecotti allies in a few lists in smallnumbers. But there is now description of that people...
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Post by martin on Jul 16, 2024 8:07:05 GMT
As mentioned, SRB II/81d Strathclyde is the closest in the lists.
A ‘cavalry heavy’ post Roman state is pretty close to the Gododdin in the poem.
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Post by Simon on Jul 16, 2024 10:04:49 GMT
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Post by skb777 on Jul 16, 2024 11:30:25 GMT
...what really happened with the downfall of Gododdin and what kind of armies are used? They must be Roman Britons, mostly Northumbria. The last battle was the defeat in Edinburgh as far as I know... It ain't called the Dark Ages for nuthin'
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Post by gonatas on Jul 16, 2024 18:18:14 GMT
As mentioned, SRB II/81d Strathclyde is the closest in the lists. A ‘cavalry heavy’ post Roman state is pretty close to the Gododdin in the poem. Arthur and the Lost Kingdoms by Alistair Moffatt is interesting on this period (I know... another book on Arthur. This one is interesting though in my view).
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Post by vodnik on Jul 17, 2024 7:20:49 GMT
...thanks a lot for your assistance. So i can use some older minies for that army...
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Post by vodnik on Jul 17, 2024 16:40:51 GMT
...OK; here are the post-Roman Britten by Gododdin but slightly modified: ![](https://up.picr.de/48399463ml.jpg) ...with 3 Cv and 1 LH, 6xSp, 1x3Ax, 1xPs, ewith minies from Seatle...
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Post by vodnik on Jul 18, 2024 8:08:11 GMT
...according to DBA no problem but setting up a similar army for Triumph is not possible. Strathclyde is there as Kingdoms of Britons and can set up 2 elements of light cavalry with javelins. Plus a maximum of 1 Irish mercenary armed in this way. So I have to set up an illegal army. I hope the people in Washington understand that...
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Post by skb777 on Jul 18, 2024 8:32:01 GMT
I'd have used the vagueness of the period and gone for the Kn option in British Armies 471-580 AD
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Post by vodnik on Jul 18, 2024 9:53:37 GMT
...with the departure of the Romans and their auxiliary troops, who replaced their heavy cavalry (Sarmatians, Alans), British cavalry became lighter and lighter. Only the Normans came to England later with knights...
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Post by skb777 on Jul 18, 2024 10:01:24 GMT
...with the departure of the Romans and their auxiliary troops, who replaced their heavy cavalry (Sarmatians, Alans), British cavalry became lighter and lighter. Only the Normans came to England later with knights... There have been countless discussions regarding troop classification and troop behavior. they wouldn't be "Kn's" as such, but a Comitatus, the best armed and armoured. Despite all that, they are in the army list = use them.
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Post by vodnik on Jul 18, 2024 10:20:52 GMT
...in Triumph, there are mainly javelin armed LH in England. The Romans too. Heavy cavalry was inferior: bad horse, but only cost 3 AP compared to 4AP for other cavalry...
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Post by skb777 on Jul 18, 2024 11:45:44 GMT
I thought you were trying to build a DBA army 🤷♂️ my apologies. The poem refers to 363 warriors some heavily armoured horsemen. I mistakenly thought this is what you were trying to recreate.
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