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Post by timurilank on Jun 21, 2024 8:57:22 GMT
I am curious if anyone here has replayed the Battle
of Mortimer’s Cross, if so, were the Lancastrian forces
adjusted to reflect the larger number of Welsh and Irish?
Reading “Image and Reality in Medieval Weaponry
and Warfare: Wales c.1100 – c.1450” by Samantha
Jane Colclough, some interesting points were made.
Based on archaeological evidence, the bill or halberd
was not as prevalent as spear and bow for the Welsh.
The Welsh, present at the battle, were newly recruited
from Tudor lands in Carmarthenshire and Pembrokeshire,
making them likely 3Lb and less so 4Lb?
The fighting style of the archers, also mentioned in the
paper, would seem to reflect the former or ‘fast’ type.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 21, 2024 12:45:33 GMT
I would first say play them as you would like represent them.lol Aside from that there is an insight to a possible controversy over the deployment of both armies...if both armies aligned based on the possible approaches facing then the Yorkist would have had the river to their rear inviting disaster. The alternative is that they faced each other in virtually North to South positions.The account also mentions that there was only room to deploy three battles to the South of the battlefield and that some battles may have had to deploy in column.Also it mentioned that the Pembrokeshire Welsh had deployed in the center and took the brunt of the fighting until the Lancastrian flank attack failed and the army fled to Hereford...this could leed you to think the archers were more robust and would be better represented as 4Lb.That doesn't stop you considering still using 3LB...as the position could of assisted defence due to the narrowness of the battlefield approaching them or for elements of the flanking battles? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mortimer%27s_Cross |
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Post by timurilank on Jun 21, 2024 14:29:47 GMT
Haardrada,
I have seen a number of videos covering deployment.
The best illustrates the Lancastrian approach over an,
until now, unknown road placing the alignment on the
open plain with each having a flank on the River Lugg.
The Lancastrians should have as a nucleus, Owen Tudor,
Jasper Tudor and James Butler represented by blade
(4Bd) accompanied by retinue archers (4Lb).
This leaves French, Breton and Irish mercenaries and
the shire levies to fill the remaining six elements.
More research is needed.
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 21, 2024 14:51:05 GMT
Haardrada,
I have seen a number of videos covering deployment. The best illustrates the Lancastrian approach over an, until now, unknown road placing the alignment on the open plain with each having a flank on the River Lugg. The Lancastrians should have as a nucleus, Owen Tudor, Jasper Tudor and James Butler represented by blade (4Bd) accompanied by retinue archers (4Lb). This leaves French, Breton and Irish mercenaries and the shire levies to fill the remaining six elements. More research is needed. That could leave you do the remaining 2x4Bd as the French & Bretons(or even Cav or LH for the latter),1x3Pk(Welsh) and 1x3Ax(Irish).Leaving you the 7Hd(unreliable levies) to make up the 12th element perhaps?🙂 |
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