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Post by goldenhord on May 25, 2024 15:23:08 GMT
Hi guys I have a bunch of questions
1 psiloi interpenetration voluntarily move
Does a psiloi who interpênetrate right people have to stay in front (sticked to interpenetrated people) if they came from behind
or have to stay behind (sticked to interpenetrated people) if they came from front
or do they have the liberty to move more if they remain in the lined up figure they interpenetratred to finish their moves ?
1 psiloi have a flee so an unvoluntarily move so must he stops at the 1st figure encounted or could he interpenetrated right people to ends his mouvment phase.
thx by advance
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Post by Brian Ború on May 25, 2024 19:16:53 GMT
That’s simple.  The rules state that these moves can only be performed when they start and/or end lined up, facing the same direction. (See p. 9) Lined up means those two units start or end touching front and rear corners with both units facing the same direction.
The flying Ps thus may move through a friendly unit, but only when at least "partly lined up" , i.e. their rear touching the front of a friendly unit (other than Ps).
Edit: I was wrong about the meaning of being lined up. See below. B.B. |
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Post by goldenhord on May 26, 2024 9:14:06 GMT
not sure to correctly understand but may a language problem;
Agree on wording 9.5 by lined up meaning is a problem. You said that when start behind you stopped after interpenetration touching the interpenetrated figure ? (same direction)
But if you are in front you are in a reverse position of the interpenetrated figure (not in the same direction) so does it mean you stay behind the interpenetrated figure ? that is my first question.
My second question is a flee psiloi ? does he stop at the first encounted figure or does he continue his mouvement in interpenetrating the figure ?
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Post by Simon on May 26, 2024 9:26:14 GMT
You may find the diagrams 6a and 6b helpful on page 17.
Simon
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Post by goldenhord on May 26, 2024 10:16:33 GMT
i saw the diagrams 6a and 6 B but it does not answer my questions?
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Post by sheffmark on May 26, 2024 12:02:22 GMT
I think the diagrams do help and I think they disagree with Brian's view.
"The last paragraph in diagram 6a says "The element must end the move on the far side of the interpenetrated friendly element and lined up with it as shown by the dotted lines."
The dotted lines extend out way beyond the base depth of the interpenetrating unit. Therefore I think that lining up means in line with, but not necessarily in contact with.
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Post by Brian Ború on May 26, 2024 12:29:28 GMT
I think the diagrams do help and I think they disagree with Brian's view. "The last paragraph in diagram 6a says "The element must end the move on the far side of the interpenetrated friendly element and lined up with it as shown by the dotted lines." The dotted lines extend out way beyond the base depth of the interpenetrating unit. Therefore I think that lining up means in line with, but not necessarily in contact with. You're right, that makes sense. Edge contact was my wrong interpretation. In this way Cv for example may attack through Ps and make a full move ... |
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Post by goldenhord on May 26, 2024 15:51:41 GMT
so for the 1st case edge contact is not necessary ? you just haev to follow the dotted lines until the move end of figurine (if wanted).
but for the 2 st case the flee move,is it possible to interpenetrate the figure and continue the move ?
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Post by Brian Ború on May 27, 2024 10:39:38 GMT
so for the 1st case edge contact is not necessary ? you just haev to follow the dotted lines until the move end of figurine (if wanted). but for the 2 st case the flee move,is it possible to interpenetrate the figure and continue the move ? Ad 1: yes, edge contact is not necessary. Ad 2: yes, that's right. |
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Post by sheffmark on May 27, 2024 10:51:07 GMT
In this way Cv for example may attack through Ps and make a full move ... Yes but if the Cv were moving into contact they could presumably only do this if the enemy were exactly lined up? What if the Cv had to use the free slide to conform, would that still be allowed? Looking at the interpenetration rule, I'd say probably not?? What do you think? |
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Post by sheffmark on May 27, 2024 10:56:18 GMT
so for the 1st case edge contact is not necessary ? you just haev to follow the dotted lines until the move end of figurine (if wanted). but for the 2 st case the flee move,is it possible to interpenetrate the figure and continue the move ? Ad 1: yes, edge contact is not necessary. Ad 2: yes, that's right. Yes as Brian says. For clarity, as I understand it: Case 1 you don't have to move full move distance if you don't want to, just clear the element being interpenetrated. Case 2 If you are allowed to interpenetrate, you have to, and move your full move distance, unless stopped short for some other reason. |
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Post by goldenhord on May 27, 2024 14:17:57 GMT
thank you
Brian's response was clear (edge contact not necessary)
and you have to interpenetrate and continue your move in the flee case.
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