khr
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Post by khr on May 11, 2024 11:00:33 GMT
Hello
Yesterday we had a game of Gauls vs.Romans and an odd situation came up that we couldn't resolve. See below.
Two Gallic chariots (circled in blue) were in frontal contact and overlap with a base of Roman cavalry. Behind the first Roman cavalry was a second base of cavalry and incidentally, but not relevant to the question, a legionary base (Roman Cavalry marked in red). Important: There was a norrow gap between the two cavalry bases (where the ruler is pointing).
Now the question:
A Gallic warband wanted to move into contact with the flank of the first cavalry (blue arrow). But it will also contact the second cavalry at a corner including a bit of the flank edge (black arrow)
What happens?
Checking through the rules for moving into contact, turning to face and the associated graphic examples, we found various possible results, but couldn't come to a conclusion.
As far as we see, the result could be one of the following:
- The contact is illegal and the warband cannot move into that position
- The move is legal, but the contact with rear cavalry is ignored. The warband counts as an overlap to the front cavalry, but nothing happens with the rear one.
- The move is legal, rear cavalry turns to face the warband. The warband does not move. It counts as an overlap to the front cavalry. Warband and rear cavalry fight each other, both counting as overlapped.
- The move is legal, rear cavalry turns to face the warband. The warband slides to align with the rear cavalry and loses contact with the front cavalry. Warband and rear cavalry fight each other normally.
- The move is legal, rear cavalry moves back out of contact with the warband.
Which is it? Or maybe even something else?
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Post by Les1964 on May 11, 2024 11:43:32 GMT
khr Welcome to the forums . Seems the picture hasn't been added to the post , try this site if you are having trouble , postimages.org/
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Post by menacussecundus on May 11, 2024 14:11:22 GMT
Without the picture, I think the answer is probably (b) (The move is legal, but the contact with rear cavalry is ignored. The warband counts as an overlap to the front cavalry, but nothing happens with the rear one.)
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Post by Les1964 on May 11, 2024 14:29:38 GMT
I think the answer is probably (b) (The move is legal, but the contact with rear cavalry is ignored. Yep it would be a legal contact rule wise for combat on the front element , but not the rear one . HB rulebook , Page 10 MOVING INTO CONTACT WITH ENEMY"or (c) in front edge to side edge contact with front corners in contact" |
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Post by diades on May 12, 2024 9:14:08 GMT
I would opt for the second option too.
The warband has ended its move in legal contact with the front cavalry, the other contact is incidental…for this bound…what happens next may be entertaining…
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Post by razgor on May 12, 2024 9:29:03 GMT
I would also opt for second option.
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Post by macbeth on May 13, 2024 0:02:59 GMT
Something similar came up at Briscon a couple of weekends ago. We went with option 2
I was called to check in on the combat result and discovered that because the rear element was not in a column with the element in combat, it was not destroyed.
Cheers
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Post by malory on May 13, 2024 8:47:34 GMT
We had the exact same situation in our last game. We found out that option 2 is the way to go- the rear Cv element does not take part in the combat and is ignored.
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khr
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Post by khr on May 13, 2024 19:17:57 GMT
Thanks everybody for the advice.
Not sure what the problem with the missing images may be. I can see them on various devices and with different browsers, both logged in and as a guest.
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Post by diogenes on May 14, 2024 17:37:49 GMT
The images are there for me too. I was the other player. I had already lost the battle elsewhere...4 dead blades...this was a residual situation and we were a bit brain dead after earlier games,so could "find" the answer. When we rolled the die it was a draw including the WB overlap!!!!!
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Post by diogenes on May 14, 2024 17:39:43 GMT
Sorry...could NOT find the answer
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Post by bob on Jun 29, 2024 2:42:51 GMT
I agree that point number two is the correct one however, you’re all miss labeling it as an overlap when in fact, it is a flank. If the Gauls win, they destroy the cavalry.
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