Post by goragrad on Mar 2, 2024 11:00:03 GMT
Bee busy with work projects and other distractions, but I was painting up some Essex 15mm pavisers and while looking for references came across LBM transfers for French HYW pavises (28mm).
Looking for some additional inspiration I came across some references that show somewhat different arms for some of the cities and thought it might be of interest.
www.heraldica.org/topics/france/frcitalp.htm (current blazons with some history)
Orléans (Loiret): Gules three coeurs-de-lys argent, on a chief France modern. Hanging from the shield the Croix de Guerre 1939-45 with palm. Motto: "hoc vernant lilia corde" (the lilies bloom from this heart).
The coeur-de-lis is today depicted as a flower, whose three petals point to dexter, sinister and base and without stem (a trefoil's petals point dexter, sinister and chief, and it has a stem). The petals are pointed. It seems that in previous centuries they looked like either hearts inflamed, or hearts with flowers issuant. Both the name of the charge and the motto allude to Orléans' special place in French history: it became part of the lands of the counts of Paris in the 9th century, before they became kings of France in 987 with Hugues Capet. It was therefore the second capital of France until the 13th century.
Soissons (Aisne): Gules a fleur-de-lys argent.
In 1819, on a complaint from Lille, the arms were changed to Azure a fleur-de-lys or.
Tours (Indre-et-Loire): Sable three towers argent window and port sable and a Croix de Guerre 1939-45 proper in the center point, on a chief France.=
Angers (Maine-et-Loire): Gules a key per pale argent, on a chief azure two fleurs-de-lys or.
Seal of 1482. Sometimes the key is over all.
In an armorial published some time between 1501 and 1600 (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8528582x.r=17256?rk=193134;0) -
The field for Soissons is indeed gules - folio 109r..
The field for Tours is azure - folio 106r. (Orleans on same page).
The chief for Angers has three fleur-de-lys - folio 105y.
Note that in the folio the fleur-de-lys in the chiefs appear argent as well rather than or.
I am looking at some image hosting sites and when I find one will see about posting some of the folios.
Am trying (recapcha problem) to send the above to LBM is case they might care to modify their current designs (in the interest of historical accuracy).
For what it is worth thought I'd post here as well.
Looking for some additional inspiration I came across some references that show somewhat different arms for some of the cities and thought it might be of interest.
www.heraldica.org/topics/france/frcitalp.htm (current blazons with some history)
Orléans (Loiret): Gules three coeurs-de-lys argent, on a chief France modern. Hanging from the shield the Croix de Guerre 1939-45 with palm. Motto: "hoc vernant lilia corde" (the lilies bloom from this heart).
The coeur-de-lis is today depicted as a flower, whose three petals point to dexter, sinister and base and without stem (a trefoil's petals point dexter, sinister and chief, and it has a stem). The petals are pointed. It seems that in previous centuries they looked like either hearts inflamed, or hearts with flowers issuant. Both the name of the charge and the motto allude to Orléans' special place in French history: it became part of the lands of the counts of Paris in the 9th century, before they became kings of France in 987 with Hugues Capet. It was therefore the second capital of France until the 13th century.
Soissons (Aisne): Gules a fleur-de-lys argent.
In 1819, on a complaint from Lille, the arms were changed to Azure a fleur-de-lys or.
Tours (Indre-et-Loire): Sable three towers argent window and port sable and a Croix de Guerre 1939-45 proper in the center point, on a chief France.=
Angers (Maine-et-Loire): Gules a key per pale argent, on a chief azure two fleurs-de-lys or.
Seal of 1482. Sometimes the key is over all.
In an armorial published some time between 1501 and 1600 (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8528582x.r=17256?rk=193134;0) -
The field for Soissons is indeed gules - folio 109r..
The field for Tours is azure - folio 106r. (Orleans on same page).
The chief for Angers has three fleur-de-lys - folio 105y.
Note that in the folio the fleur-de-lys in the chiefs appear argent as well rather than or.
I am looking at some image hosting sites and when I find one will see about posting some of the folios.
Am trying (recapcha problem) to send the above to LBM is case they might care to modify their current designs (in the interest of historical accuracy).
For what it is worth thought I'd post here as well.