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Post by diades on Nov 3, 2024 14:09:38 GMT
Hi All,
Many thanks for everyone coming along, for those travelling so far and through personal difficulties.
This is the first of several results posts.
Let’s start with the important stuff - the podium.
Winner of the Best Presented Army was Ken Gordon for his II/59 Jewish Revolt Army complete with Life of Brain slogan daubing camp!
The Strongest Army (boo!) was Bill MacGilivray’s IV/10 Mound Builder Americans
The Most Challenging Army was Stephen Etheridge’s I/5a Early Elamites
Winner of the Slayer trophy was Connor Truby
Third placed overall was Tom Whitehead, who was on equal points with Bill, but came ahead based on sum of opponents’ scores
Second placed overall was Martin Smith, who tied on points, but lost out on sum of opponents’ scores to
The Champion, Lindon Paxton
Congratulations to you all.
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Post by diades on Nov 3, 2024 14:14:42 GMT
…and now for some detail, first of all this is how the armies performed…
Bear in mind the armies were ranked using my usual algorithm and paired so that strangest vs best strongest etc. After each round the ranking was adjusted by the previous result and Swiss Pair matching applied. Hence the winning army here, based on 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw and none for a loss will probably not have played the strongest armies present on the day…. 1, IV/10 Mound Builder American (Bill MacGillivray), 13 points 2, IV/43c Later Hungarian (Mark Johnson), 13 points 3, I/32b Wu (Stephen Finn), 13 points 4, IV/79b Later Swiss (Andrew Avery), 12 points 5, II/46a Kushan (Lindon Paxton), 12 points 6, I/22a New Kingdom Egyptian (Adam Stone), 11 points 7, IV/74 Free Company and Armagnac (Matthew Davison), 10 points 8, II/5a Spartan (Pete Ellis), 10 points 9, I/47 Illyrian (Alan Davison), 10 points 10, III/62b Southern Sung (David Lawrence), 9 points 11, III/77 Papal Italian (Colin O'Shea), 8 points 12, II/33 Polybian Roman (Paul Clair), 7 points 13, II/78b Eastern Late Imperial Roman (Tom) (Tom Whitehead), 7 points 14, I/60c Early Achaemenid Persian (Connor Truby), 7 points 15, II/82a Western Patrician Roman + Later Visigothic Allies (Paddy Myers), 7 points 16, II/59 Jewish Revolts (Ken Gordon), 7 points 17, II/3a Classical Indian (Tim Rogers), 6 points 18, II/78b Eastern Late Imperial Roman (Paul) (Paul Murgatroyd), 6 points 19, II/10 Camillan Roman (Denis Grey), 6 points 20, I/33b Later Villanovan Italian (Martin Smith), 6 points 21, II/68a Pictish (Paul Hodson), 5 points 22, I/5a Early Elamite (Stephen Etheridge), 3 points
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Post by diades on Nov 3, 2024 14:17:17 GMT
Next up, the Slayer…
The sum of elements removed by either party during all a player’s games. No extra points for generals or double ranked elements, but hordes counted…. Ties were resolved based on who brought the weakest army according to the ranking algorithm…
1, Connor Truby, 41 elements 2, Denis Grey, 40 elements 3, Matthew Davison, 40 elements 4, Andrew Avery, 38 elements 5, Alan Davison, 36 elements 6, Tom Whitehead, 36 elements 7, Paul Hodson, 34 elements 8, Paddy Myers, 34 elements 9, Colin O'Shea, 34 elements 10, Tim Rogers, 34 elements 11, Ken Gordon, 33 elements 12, Pete Ellis, 33 elements 13, David Lawrence, 33 elements 14, Paul Murgatroyd, 32 elements 15, Mark Johnson, 32 elements 16, Martin Smith, 31 elements 17, Lindon Paxton, 31 elements 18, Adam Stone, 31 elements 19, Stephen Finn, 30 elements 20, Stephen Etheridge, 29 elements 21, Bill MacGillivray, 29 elements 22, Paul Clair, 29 elements
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Post by diades on Nov 3, 2024 14:20:20 GMT
…and finally the participants themselves:
First round fight against your own army. Rounds 2 to 5 paired using Swiss chess, as far as possible keeping weaker armies with players nearer the top, ensuring maximum variety of army used / fought against. Final round using your own army. Ties resolved by sum of opponenets’ scores and then if required by nett element difference (according to the as per rules Winning the game)
1, Lindon Paxton (II/46a Kushan), 15 points 2, Martin Smith (I/33b Later Villanovan Italian), 15 points 3, Tom Whitehead (II/78b Eastern Late Imperial Roman (Tom)), 13 points 4, Bill MacGillivray (IV/10 Mound Builder American), 13 points 5, Colin O'Shea (III/77 Papal Italian), 11 points 6, Matthew Davison (IV/74 Free Company and Armagnac), 10 points 7, Andrew Avery (IV/79b Later Swiss), 10 points 8, Paul Murgatroyd (II/78b Eastern Late Imperial Roman (Paul)), 10 points 9, Adam Stone (I/22a New Kingdom Egyptian), 9 points 10, Denis Grey (II/10 Camillan Roman), 9 points 11, Paul Hodson (II/68a Pictish), 9 points 12, Stephen Finn (I/32b Wu), 9 points 13, Mark Johnson (IV/43c Later Hungarian), 8 points 14, Ken Gordon (II/59 Jewish Revolts), 7 points 15, Pete Ellis (II/5a Spartan), 7 points 16, Connor Truby (I/60c Early Achaemenid Persian), 6 points 17, David Lawrence (III/62b Southern Sung), 6 points 18, Tim Rogers (II/3a Classical Indian), 6 points 19, Paddy Myers (II/82a Western Patrician Roman + Later Visigothic Allies), 5 points 20, Alan Davison (I/47 Illyrian), 4 points 21, Paul Clair (II/33 Polybian Roman), 3 points 22, Stephen Etheridge (I/5a Early Elamite), 3 points
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Post by martin on Nov 3, 2024 19:08:57 GMT
Six games at the well run and extremely challenging Cold Ash Clash yesterday. Twenty two players attended, including two who had travelled all the way from Australia…Kudos!! Other distance drivers came from eg London, west Wales, the Welsh Marches and Yorkshire, so a great turnout to this excellent competition.
I took a difficult/poor army (as it’s used by other players for five games), in the form of Later Villanovan Italians 800-650 BC. The army finished third from bottom in the army performance table, which was a result in itself 🙂.
My games were as follows:- 1. Using Polybian Republican Romans to invade their ancestors, the Later Villanovan Italians, led by Paul C.. The Polybian hastati stormed and sacked the Villanovans’ city, and won the fight when the main lines engaged, killing the Villanovan general in the process. Win by 3g + city to 0.
2. My early Elamites, a cloud of skirmish foot, faced a fast-moving wall of Jewish Revolt infantry, led by Matthew D.. We extended left, swarming around and nibbled away at the Jewish right flank, bringing down a few elements, but our own right flank was overwhelmed before we could make it count. Loss, 1 (+ 2 x Hordes) to 4.
3. David L., all the way from Aus 🇦🇺, was my next opponent. He commanded Classical Indians, with a herd of elephants supported by chariots and cavalry, deploying in restrictive terrain. Facing these I formed up my allocated Later Swiss army out in the open, having predominantly pikemen, plus a few halberdiers and skirmishers in tow. As the armies engaged, the Indian left flank cavalry were challenged by the Swiss halberdiers (3Bd) who got lucky and overwhelmed them. The pike-block held the elephants and chariots in check, allowing the halberdiers to move onto the enemy left. The Indian commander’s luck was abysmal, and the Swiss achieved a decisive 4-0 win.
4. My next army was New Kingdom Egyptians (all the way from Australia), who unwisely attacked the Illyrian territory of Connor T.. As a few Illyrians advancing in the centre were held off by archery, a scrap rapidly developed on a small steep hill to the Egyptians’ right. The Pharaoh and some fast moving swordsmen moved to intervene, and all the fighting went their way, clearing the flank before falling on the Illyrian leader for a 5g-0 NKE win.
5. Now as leader of the Picts, I faced invading Camillan Romans under Consul Adam S. (🇦🇺). The Picts sent a landing force into dunes on the Roman flank, and these distracted and caused a few casualties before being intercepted by the Romans’ light troops. However, the Pictish skirmish force’s luck was phenomenal, and the Roman auxiliaries were thwarted for long enough for the main Pict spear-wall to engage their opponents. Poor activation dice hampered Adam’s response, and combat dice rolls were also very one sided, leading to an unexpected Pictish win (4-1).
6. Finally, I was obliged to lead the dodgy army I had supplied, the Later Villanovan Italians. My opponent was Tom W., who has frequently beaten me in previous encounters. Tom defended, deploying his tough and excellently painted Later Imperial Romans on an almost featureless terrain. My Villanovans decided to get stuck in, and advanced as quickly as possible to engage the LIR army before they could choose their targets among my generally weaker army. To my surprise the fierce Villanovan infantry punched a hole in the Late Roman legionary line, while holding off the enemy cataphracts against the odds, assisted by the Villanovan general and his cavalry bodyguard. A surprise 4-2 win resulted, very much against expectations.
It was (and always is…) a fun tournament, very well coordinated by Martin M. Achieving second place on the day was something of a shocker, and relied on some ludicrous luck (yes please, more of that….😁). Apologies to those on the receiving end of my flukiness. Congrats to Lindon, tournament winner and to all those on the list of awards on the day. Fun and fortune, all mixed in together….
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Post by gonatas on Nov 4, 2024 7:57:38 GMT
Let me report on an excellent day of DBA at Cold Ash on Saturday. Lots of fearsomely good players and the usual mixed bag of armies and terrain to think your way through. I do not have a match by match report. I start off with good intentions but still end up with only one photo of the first game by way of an aide-memoire. I must take lessons from Mr Smith. It was very good to meet Macbeth and Adamus. They were too polite to say if they didn't enjoy themselves. I am sure Adam enjoyed his game against me though. His mighty Mound Builders (who saw that coming!) made short shrift of the steppe loving Hungarians on a board covered in buildings, rough stuff, a river and a huge difficult, but appropriate, mound on which the inappropriate Hungarian infantry fought and died. It is of course the combination of army and terrain which matters. It was Steve Etheridge's turn to suffer when his side of the table had so much terrain that he was forced to deploy twoClassical Indian elephants in line abreast in a Marsh. An initial one for pips meant he was looking at four pips to get his elephant line started. The very handy NKE army I had then made sure that pips not needed for insistant threats were not available to him. In other games I learned another consoling truth about DBA. It is perfectly possible to do nothing wrong, make no obvious mistakes, and yet still have your head handed to you. Thank you Tom for delivering the message to me in the first game and to Paul in the third round for hammering the message home when his fast Illyrian auxilia took out my Papal knight General and his knight buddy in the open. I am sorry Paddy for passing the message on in the last game when a single 6-1 with my first shot of the game emptied his General's saddle. Anyway it was a good day, excellently run competition, lots of good company, great toys to play with...aren't we lucky!
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Post by martin on Nov 4, 2024 8:39:54 GMT
> I start off with good intentions but still end up with only one photo of the first game by way of an aide-memoire. I must take lessons from Mr Smith. > Anyway it was a good day, excellently run competition, lots of good company, great toys to play with...aren't we lucky! It was, indeed, all the above - Tarrington and now Cold Ash have always been my favourite DBA event of the year, regardless of win/lose/draw results - a challenging and fun day out. Diades does a brilliant job, which few could match. Re the photos…it’s often my only way of recalling who I played and what (roughly) happened. Without pics, by lunchtime my brain turns to mush and I struggle to remember ANY details 😯….possibly a combination of age and a brain that’s wired to forget 😁.
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Post by proximocoal on Nov 4, 2024 9:09:37 GMT
I didn't write down my scores, so this is all from sketchy memory I am afraid. My first game I fought against my Early Achaemenid Persians using Spartans. Anyone who is familiar with this historic match knows it is uphill for the Persians and this battle proved no different. Once the spears got into the bows it was all over. 4+h vs 2 Second I was armed with a Late Imperial Roman East against the Kushan. My artillery made quick work of the elephant, Tom W. then nimbly slew one of my Kataphract with his Light Horse. I pincered one of his Light Horse, but it survived and slew my flanker in exchange! My blade were chewing through his auxilia but Tom made one last coup-de-grace which finished me off. Really close battle. 3 for me 4g for Tom I was a bit surprised with how fearsome the two armies were during my last game. Poor Ken got lumped with a suitably awful army for our next game. Elamites with 11 Ps and a Fast bow general. They unsurprisingly won worst performing army this year. Ken put up a good fight, and more than once I thought I was going to ve severely embarrassed, but eventually the low numbers came back to haunt him and he lost 4-3 Next I used Illyrians vs Martin Smith and New Kingdom Egyptians. Armed with a mass of fast auxilia I hoped to swarm around a flank protected by a difficult hill. Unfortunately the plan depended entirely on getting good pips while Martin rolled poorly. Alas it was not to be and my last desperate gambit to throw my Light Horse general into the Egyptian bow went exactly as you might expect. 0 - 5g to Martin Next I was armed with the Villonovan(sp?) Italians vs Judaean Revolt. This was a surprisingly nice match-up. I had solid warband and fast auxilia, Andy had solid auxilia and fast warband. The main difference was that I had cavarly and he had fast hordes. Having considered my not-so-spectactular performance of the day so far but my bloody battle records I decided I was going to kill the hordes. This went well to begin with, my warband making short work of the religious fanatics arrayed before them, but I unwisely decided to send my general off to chase down some Psiloi. This worked but left my army out of command. The remaining hordes managed to lap around my poor abandoned army. 2+2H vs 4 Finally I face Paul M. wielding the same Late Imperial Roman army I had used earlier. I spent a large amount of time herding my poor conscripts in front of the artillery and dancing around the flanks, but eventually his blades got into my bows and at that point it was a ticking clock. 1 for me 4 + 2h to Paul. (I forgot I got an early kill shooting an auxilia) My cruel targetting of the hordes paid off and I managed to come home with the slayer trophy! A great day of many fun games. Hoping to come again next year!
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Post by Ken Gordon on Nov 4, 2024 9:36:42 GMT
A great day out and worth the couple of hours in the car.
My highlights were facing patrician Roman with elamites - but I suspect we all have bad memories of that army!. 6-1’ing the judean general with Bill’s mound builder Indian bows. Most embarrassing bit was playing David Lawrence when his knight line disappeared in one turn. 5 combats: he killed a my ps, then three of his kn went down and his general recoiled. The fact I’d also just killed a sp with my art just added insult to injury. He travelled all that way as well. I daren’t use the die he gave me in case all his dice roll that badly.
Still blushing about the best presented army award. - thanks.
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Post by allnewstevie on Nov 4, 2024 11:15:48 GMT
Excellent, fun day at the Cold Ash Clash, which when the heating in the hall kicked in was not that cold at all. Many thanks to The Myers (senior and junior) for a great day out. I obviously got confused in the run-up to the tourney - I thought everyone else was bringing elephants, so a choice of 11 Ps seemed sensible..............................Obviously I will not bring that army again as, making use of their 3 Base width movement allowance, they all escaped from the car on the way home rather than read the opprobrium heaped on them in this august forum. Many thanks to all fellow participants and congratulations to all the podium placees.................wait, what, I actually got a trophy? ??
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Post by martin on Nov 4, 2024 12:58:34 GMT
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Post by Baldie on Nov 4, 2024 17:55:52 GMT
Sounds a fab time, well done all.
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Post by pawsbill on Nov 9, 2024 20:36:38 GMT
... mighty Mound Builders (who saw that coming!) ... I certainly didn't (and I took them)!
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