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Post by ronisan on Dec 8, 2023 17:36:15 GMT
Hi Les1964, That‘s a simple one…🤣 1 Cv + 2 LH or 3 LH. So you can take more than 1 , none General element of the same type .  Hi Les1964, well - of course you can - because there is no different type available! How would you fill your three-element-ally-contingent? |
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Post by ronisan on Dec 8, 2023 17:47:26 GMT
Hi folks, I play it the way goldenhorde does: 3) Another interpretation from goldenhord is that "Any third element is the player's choice from elements yet unused" means that the troop types already chosen as general and large number cannot be chosen as the third element.
Exemple with the issue about a Commagene ally (II/44) :
- 1 x Gen 4Kn or 4Pk,
- 1 x 4Kn or LH,
- 2 x LH,
- 2 x 4Pk/4Bd,
- 4 x 3Bw,
- 1 x 4Pk or 4Ax or 4Wb,
- 1 x Ps.
Ally must include
- 1 x General 4kn or 4 Pk
- 1 x 3 Bw
- any element that does not belong to the lines in bold
(ie, you cannot choose another 3Bw)Cheers Ronald So why does "elements yet unused" mean "troop types yet unused", ronisan ? Hi menacussecundus, well - I‘m not a native speaker but … if you „used“ or have chosen from elements of „3Bw“, then for me it‘s obvious, that you can‘t „use“ again „3Bw“ (or a 3Bw-element), because you have used it already. So you have to chose a different one … different from „3Bw“! |
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Post by Les1964 on Dec 8, 2023 18:19:08 GMT
So you can take more than 1 , none General element of the same type . Hi Les1964, well - of course you can - because there is no different type available! How would you fill your three-element-ally-contingent? Hi Rosin , There isn't any rules saying that though ( for the way you want to play it ) , so you can't have it both ways . Either you are allowed to take more than 1 none General element of the same type , or you aren't ? BTW : Page 5 1st paragraph says what an element is , Pages 3 and 4 say what element trypes are . Also if a force has 4 x 3 Bw elements and you pick one , there is still 3 unused elements . |
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Post by menacussecundus on Dec 8, 2023 23:03:31 GMT
So why does "elements yet unused" mean "troop types yet unused", ronisan ? Hi menacussecundus, well - I‘m not a native speaker but … if you „used“ or have chosen from elements of „3Bw“, then for me it‘s obvious, that you can‘t „use“ again „3Bw“ (or a 3Bw-element), because you have used it already. So you have to chose a different one … different from „3Bw“! Which is why I believe your interpretation is wrong. As Les1964 says, if you have used one 3Bw element from a group of 4 x 3Bw, there are another 3 x 3bW elements which you haven't used. These three elements are, in plain English, "[as] yet unused". (I'm also pretty sure in my own mind that if Phil Barker had intended to force a player to pick a different troop type, he would have said "troop types yet unused", not "elements".) |
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Post by Peter Feinler on Dec 8, 2023 23:40:08 GMT
Consider also monotype armies that appear as allies, eg, II/80d Other Hunnic. This army has only 1 x General (Cv or LH) and 11 x LH. Thus as an ally you must start with the general, so 1 x (Cv or LH) and then the only choice left is 2 x LH.
Peter
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Post by skb777 on Dec 8, 2023 23:47:28 GMT
Hi folks, I play it the way goldenhorde does: 3) Another interpretation from goldenhord is that "Any third element is the player's choice from elements yet unused" means that the troop types already chosen as general and large number cannot be chosen as the third element.
Exemple with the issue about a Commagene ally (II/44) :
- 1 x Gen 4Kn or 4Pk,
- 1 x 4Kn or LH,
- 2 x LH,
- 2 x 4Pk/4Bd,
- 4 x 3Bw,
- 1 x 4Pk or 4Ax or 4Wb,
- 1 x Ps.
Ally must include
- 1 x General 4kn or 4 Pk
- 1 x 3 Bw
- any element that does not belong to the lines in bold
(ie, you cannot choose another 3Bw)Cheers Ronald But you can choose another Kn or Pk so why wold you want the Bw  |
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Post by menacussecundus on Dec 9, 2023 7:59:34 GMT
Hi folks, I play it the way goldenhorde does: 3) Another interpretation from goldenhord is that "Any third element is the player's choice from elements yet unused" means that the troop types already chosen as general and large number cannot be chosen as the third element.
Exemple with the issue about a Commagene ally (II/44) :
- 1 x Gen 4Kn or 4Pk,
- 1 x 4Kn or LH,
- 2 x LH,
- 2 x 4Pk/4Bd,
- 4 x 3Bw,
- 1 x 4Pk or 4Ax or 4Wb,
- 1 x Ps.
Ally must include
- 1 x General 4kn or 4 Pk
- 1 x 3 Bw
- any element that does not belong to the lines in bold
(ie, you cannot choose another 3Bw)Cheers Ronald But you can choose another Kn or Pk so why wold you want the Bw For the sake of the argument, imagine you are going to be facing an army composed mainly of LH. A second element of Bw might be handy. However, the question as set is not "what would you choose?", but "what can you choose?" |
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Post by skb777 on Dec 9, 2023 11:41:00 GMT
I’d still pick the Kn or Pk 🙈
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Post by Brian Ború on Dec 9, 2023 18:07:02 GMT
But you can choose another Kn or Pk so why wold you want the Bw For the sake of the argument, imagine you are going to be facing an army composed mainly of LH. A second element of Bw might be handy. However, the question as set is not "what would you choose?", but "what can you choose?" In short: a general, one of the majority (the backbone of this army) and any that you wish from this army's pool. (By the way, my worthy Irish army III 46 has already a contingent built in: three (!) viking blades.) So under good circumstances you really can end up with three powerful elements–which will nevertheless be subject to misunderstandings (PIP drain) in battle... |
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