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Post by sheffmark on May 29, 2023 11:05:14 GMT
Has anyone got any information about ancient Burmese uniforms/dress or shield patterns?
Thanks
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Post by vodnik on May 29, 2023 13:20:06 GMT
...is not so eary to find something: ...bit from out post there is a A4 booklet...
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Post by martin on May 29, 2023 13:29:42 GMT
Has anyone got any information about ancient Burmese uniforms/dress or shield patterns? Thanks Book by Dan Mersey on the Burmese. Mine’s hiding somewhere- I’ll let you know when/if it comes out of hiding
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Post by stevie on May 29, 2023 14:46:31 GMT
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Post by elliesdad on May 29, 2023 15:35:06 GMT
Has anyone got any information about ancient Burmese uniforms/dress or shield patterns? Thanks Book by Dan Mersey on the Burmese. Mine’s hiding somewhere- I’ll let you know when/if it comes out of hiding Ha ha 🤣😂 My copy is in a box, somewhere in a room pretty full of other boxes containing lots and lots of books, comic, magazines etc… Oh, and some Wargames stuff too… 😉 Heaven forbid I ever make a start on the “library” project and get some of this stuff onto shelves. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by sheffmark on May 29, 2023 18:50:25 GMT
Thanks all.
Stevie, thanks for those. I had a look at the Google search but specific Burmese seemed in short supply and seemed to clash with each other, i.e. were they mainly red and green or nice pastel blue and pink? Also the first link just seems to show everyone in a white linen.
The picture above looks interesting but I can't seem to enlarge it, do you know the source? Cheers
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Post by stevie on May 29, 2023 21:48:31 GMT
Stevie, The picture above looks interesting but I can't seem to enlarge it, do you know the source? Ha! You know what…neither can I. Here is a better enlargeable version:-  …but I should point out that they are merely player created figures for the “Civ4” computer game. (Although not suitable for a ‘purest’, they’d probably be ok for the ‘generalist’ units like I often use)And the original link is →hereScore down on that site with your arrow keys ( ↑ ↓) to see more examples like this one. This might be a better link: forums.civfanatics.com/threads/armies-of-asia.542839/(Click on "Spoiler: show" to see each picture)
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Post by sheffmark on May 31, 2023 13:55:15 GMT
Thanks Stevie Being in the 'generalist' camp myself this is useful. I had started by painting horizontal stripes on the clothing as I thought I'd seen that somewhere but couldn't get them that fine so my just paint over them. The elephants with the two tiers of archers should look good though!
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Post by carll on May 31, 2023 19:43:30 GMT
You might borrow following via inter library loan or read reviews to decide if it might help.
Burma and Indo-China, by Ian Heath, Publisher: Foundry Books; ISBN: 9781901543063; 207 pages roughly A4 print size (roughly). I have the Chinese dynasties in 19th century book which is jammed packed with illustrations and potted histories, and gives an insight into armies well before 1800. It was originally published as Hardback in June 2009 for £25 it is long out of print and much sought after. It probably covers later period than your interests but many aspects may be same or similar other than use of firearms in this very traditional society till European and later Japanese imperialism impacted Burma (as it was once called). They are fast becoming collectors items so you will find seller on Amazon asking £87 for said book. So far cheaper to join library and get hold of loan copy to see if its useful. CarlL
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Post by carll on May 31, 2023 19:49:48 GMT
OOPS isbn changes you may need ISBN-10 : 1901543064 ISBN-13 : 978-1901543063 And a blurb about the book: "This is the fourth volume in what has now become the ultimate reference series on "native" armies of nineteenth century Asia. This time the subject is mainland South East Asia, with the armies of Burma, Vietnam, Siam, Cambodia and the Lao and Shan states, plus minor tribal groups, being covered in considerable depth. There are details of each army's history, organisation, tactics, dress and arms supported by 168 drawings of warrior types and 75 photographs, illustrations and maps, plus comprehensive bibliographies." CarlL
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Post by elliesdad on May 31, 2023 19:50:20 GMT
You might borrow following via inter library loan or read reviews to decide if it might help. Burma and Indo-China, by Ian Heath, Publisher: Foundry Books; ISBN: 9781901543063; 207 pages roughly A4 print size (roughly). I have the Chinese dynasties in 19th century book which is jammed packed with illustrations and potted histories, and gives an insight into armies well before 1800. It was originally published as Hardback in June 2009 for £25 it is long out of print and much sought after. It probably covers later period than your interests but many aspects may be same or similar other than use of firearms in this very traditional society till European and later Japanese imperialism impacted Burma (as it was once called). They are fast becoming collectors items so you will find seller on Amazon asking £87 for said book. So far cheaper to join library and get hold of loan copy to see if its useful. CarlL Wargames Foundry do have some of their titles available, and still at reasonable prices. Sadly, the Burma and Indo-China title isn’t one of them. It is a lovely, lovely book though, as are pretty much all of their books. Highly recommended 👍👍 Cheers, Geoff
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Post by carll on May 31, 2023 19:54:00 GMT
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Post by carll on May 31, 2023 20:02:12 GMT
For history rather than appearance of troops you could search for (inter library?) copy of History of Burma, From the Earliest Times to 10 March 1824 The Beginning of the English Conquest, by G. E. Harvey, published 1983; and by Routledge in paperback in 2020, ISBN 9780367136871; 454 Pages; still in print as pbk for £34.99p (the ebook is £31.49). CarlL
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Post by carll on May 31, 2023 20:17:06 GMT
PS the last book is more easily found secondhand for example you can get secondhand copy of original hardback for around £23 (inc p&p) on Amazon currently.
While another book of interest might be Ancient South-east Asian Warfare, by Horace Geoffrey (publisher Quaritch, in Wales, 1952) ISBN 9780598631565, or 0598631569; 206 pages; now available in digital format, so you might find a free pdf version online from "unlikely" sources, like Indian or Burmese colleges or colleges / universities in USA, possibly Minnesota.
CarlL
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Post by carll on May 31, 2023 20:26:56 GMT
Here is a freebie Victorian history of Burma "from earliest times to first Anglo-Indian invasion of Burma c1824 (from memory) its by Lt-Gen Sir Arthur P. Phayre, and published in London in 1883; its reliability I cannot say, but I have used other Victorian histories to gain an insight into historic events and places (albeit being mindful the Victorian writer has his - or her - own biases and prejudices). see www.burmalibrary.org/docs09/Phayre-History_of_Burma.pdf it is a safe pdf / site to download (so far as my Norton security can tell me!) CarlL
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