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Post by stevie on Apr 6, 2023 9:01:33 GMT
Don’t worry about my whinging that something dubious such as ‘Littoral Landings’ is included in DBA 3.0 while blatantly obvious things like ambushes are not. I am still the self appointed chairman of the Committee Representing Auxiliary Personnel (which unfortunately spells C.R.A.P.), who's aim is to champion the cause for improving the downtrodden, castrated, and artificially weakened plight of my members, either by:- * having a time limit, and invaders must win before nightfall or the defenders will be the victors… * somehow improving their combat factor, or at least make them survive combat for longer... * allow them to use their speed to break-off combat, like they did in earlier versions of DBA… * let them ‘evade’ by recoiling like mounted, a base depth OR a full base width, their choice… * and of course, let them form ambushes, as all the historical accounts say they often did. (Personaly speaking, if it was up to me then I would give them ALL these abilities…
…then weak armies of Ax/Ps would be actively sort after instead of being avoided…)  |
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Post by Brian Ború on Apr 6, 2023 11:15:34 GMT
Don’t worry about my whinging that something dubious such as ‘Littoral Landings’ is included in DBA 3.0 while blatantly obvious things like ambushes are not. I am still the self appointed chairman of the Committee Representing Auxiliary Personnel (which unfortunately spells C.R.A.P.), who's aim is to champion the cause for improving the downtrodden, castrated, and artificially weakened plight of my members, either by:- * having a time limit, and invaders must win before nightfall or the defenders will be the victors… * somehow improving their combat factor, or at least make them survive combat for longer... * allow them to use their speed to break-off combat, like they did in earlier versions of DBA… * let them ‘evade’ by recoiling like mounted, a base depth OR a full base width, their choice… * and of course, let them form ambushes, as all the historical accounts say they often did. (Personaly speaking, if it was up to me then I would give them ALL these abilities…
…then weak armies of Ax/Ps would be actively sort after instead of being avoided…) Yes, stevie, I think you're absolutely right. In this respect DBA reveals its biggest inner problem. Concerning light and heavy units of foot it is simply an unbalanced game... |
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Post by skb777 on Apr 6, 2023 14:02:47 GMT
it is the unfortunate aspect of rules that the writers create them in their own image, that is to say 'so they work for their own vision of what rules work for them'
I have no idea why you can't break off or indeed even evade a charge. I used to love playing the Huns in WRG 7th as you couldn't get near them.
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Post by Haardrada on Apr 6, 2023 14:38:18 GMT
it is the unfortunate aspect of rules that the writers create them in their own image, that is to say 'so they work for their own vision of what rules work for them' I have no idea why you can't break off or indeed even evade a charge. I used to love playing the Huns in WRG 7th as you could get near them. ...and you could usually force march on either or both flanks because you usually out-scouted your enemy. |
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Post by skb777 on Apr 6, 2023 15:59:21 GMT
it is the unfortunate aspect of rules that the writers create them in their own image, that is to say 'so they work for their own vision of what rules work for them' I have no idea why you can't break off or indeed even evade a charge. I used to love playing the Huns in WRG 7th as you could get near them. ...and you could usually force march on either or both flanks because you usually out-scouted your enemy. Ah those were the days, they were cheap as chips as well point wise. It was a reaction to the group I played with as army choices became an arms race of EHC/SHC and EHI, I just got bored of it and went the other way, I don't ever remember losing a game (though that could be my memory going as it was nigh on 40 years ago) and still have a soft spot for the Huns. The army is still sitting there waiting for their day to come again. |
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Post by snowcat on Apr 7, 2023 1:07:58 GMT
Currently the Huns (and other LH) are just free hits for enemy Bow.
(It's not so much the lack of PIPs breaking LH in DBA, it's other things.)
(*needs its own thread though*)
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Post by Haardrada on Apr 7, 2023 9:32:02 GMT
...and you could usually force march on either or both flanks because you usually out-scouted your enemy. Ah those were the days, they were cheap as chips as well point wise. It was a reaction to the group I played with as army choices became an arms race of EHC/SHC and EHI, I just got bored of it and went the other way, I don't ever remember losing a game (though that could be my memory going as it was nigh on 40 years ago) and still have a soft spot for the Huns. The army is still sitting there waiting for their day to come again. I found the mass firepower armies were kings as you caused so many casualties per figure you could stop virtually every charge dead in its tracks. I must admit I used EHI in the front ranks of my Swiss pikemen that I used in varying size units in three ranks to get maximum figure count per frontage...in a 15 figure unit you could start with 13 of the 15 figures being able to fight.It was a fantastic army and ploughed through every army it met as it was so easy to get the units impetuous and none of the group players learned to trigger them early or place a reserve to catch them disordered. |
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Post by skb777 on Apr 7, 2023 11:52:24 GMT
Currently the Huns (and other LH) are just free hits for enemy Bow.
(It's not so much the lack of PIPs breaking LH in DBA, it's other things.)
(*needs its own thread though*)
The LH appreciation society |
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Post by hodsopa on Jul 16, 2023 7:06:06 GMT
Back to littoral landings (adding in passing that I am also a member of the LH appreciation society): must the landers be placed more than a base width away from enemy? if not, can they be placed in contact with enemy? if so, what happens in terms of conforming and combat?
Asking these questions because we all need to bring a littoral army to the Britcon tournament this year - previously I have ignored the blighters as much as possible.
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Post by paulisper on Jul 16, 2023 9:32:54 GMT
Back to littoral landings (adding in passing that I am also a member of the LH appreciation society): must the landers be placed more than a base width away from enemy? if not, can they be placed in contact with enemy? if so, what happens in terms of conforming and combat? Asking these questions because we all need to bring a littoral army to the Britcon tournament this year - previously I have ignored the blighters as much as possible. Simple answers: No, yes, as per 'moving into contact with the enemy' section  P. |
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Post by menacussecundus on Jul 16, 2023 10:00:24 GMT
Back to littoral landings (adding in passing that I am also a member of the LH appreciation society): must the landers be placed more than a base width away from enemy? if not, can they be placed in contact with enemy? if so, what happens in terms of conforming and combat? Asking these questions because we all need to bring a littoral army to the Britcon tournament this year - previously I have ignored the blighters as much as possible. Bear in mind that both players are able to make littoral landings. What is sauce for the defending goose is sauce for the attacking gander in his or her bound. |
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Post by hodsopa on Jul 16, 2023 14:45:16 GMT
Thanks, Paul. Re Stevie's earlier comment, "I have come to justifying it as a form of ambush", does this mean that the Littoral is in fact metaphorical?
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Post by Ken Gordon on Jul 16, 2023 18:46:05 GMT
Back to littoral landings (adding in passing that I am also a member of the LH appreciation society): must the landers be placed more than a base width away from enemy? if not, can they be placed in contact with enemy? if so, what happens in terms of conforming and combat? Asking these questions because we all need to bring a littoral army to the Britcon tournament this year - previously I have ignored the blighters as much as possible. Bear in mind that both players are able to make littoral landings. What is sauce for the defending goose is sauce for the attacking gander in his or her bound. …. Or choose not to make littoral landings - heresy I know but it can be done. |
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