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Post by cgd on Mar 31, 2023 17:27:03 GMT
It has been argued (that time, I must admit Goldenhord is not guilty of anything) that littoral landind is "deployment" and hence must comply to "deployment restrictions" ie not whithin 3 BW of the centre, at more than a BW from a city or garrisoned fort, and so on.
It seems so silly to me...
I stand on my position than it can be anywere on the WW (including in contact with ennemy).
What is you position about that ? Thanks for your help
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Post by Les1964 on Mar 31, 2023 17:47:00 GMT
Page 8 , DEPLOYMENT .
"deployed at the start of its first bound ( before PIP dicing ) as a single group anywhere along the waterway."
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Post by martin on Apr 1, 2023 6:45:57 GMT
Anywhere on the waterway, is the rule…..
Never heard anyone trying to argue against the central area of the board being an option. (Might as well argue that the landers have to comply with the deployment flank restrictions, which means a narrow 1BW waterway couldn’t be landed on - too near the edge…also nonsense)
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Post by goldenhord on Apr 1, 2023 8:28:10 GMT
as i saw my name i should precise something. Everybody in tournaments seems compliant with the above rule where you should touch the ww where you want. The lonely difference played in some tournaments in France is the fact that you could not be teleported 1mm from the opponent just because you unlanded, you have to respect the 1 BW non zocced space when you unlanded like a second move of a LH. Baker is not a god sometimes he missed some points of this simulation this is man way and he gives us a rule for more than 30 years which is great ! But once again we have the rule and which we are playing nearby, il is a choice. I agree with Martin i never heard something else.
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Post by goldenhord on Apr 3, 2023 13:46:25 GMT
By the way we always played that the C-C could not be part of the 2-3 figures who could disembark but somebody made the remark during the last tournement that it is not in the rule ?
So what is your point of view on this question ? Could a unland way from a boat include the General ? Unless the rule says so we are considering it could be done.
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Post by timurilank on Apr 3, 2023 15:59:20 GMT
By the way we always played that the C-C could not be part of the 2-3 figures who could disembark but somebody made the remark during the last tournement that it is not in the rule ? So what is your point of view on this question ? Could a unland way from a boat include the General ? Unless the rule says so we are considering it could be done. Interesting. Without the CinC, how could you justify the deployment of the remaining 9 or 10 elements. There is no chain of command in the standard 12 element game. |
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Post by goldenhord on Apr 3, 2023 16:42:18 GMT
That is not the question, if he prefers +2 (greater than 800 paces as out of command) this is his choice, i did not say it is great, i just asked if you are allowed to... by the rules.
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Post by paulisper on Apr 3, 2023 17:28:49 GMT
If it’s not specifically disallowed, then by the balance of probability, Phil would allow it 😉 I would therefore say that there’s no reason why your Gen can’t be part of the landing force…
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Post by martin on Apr 3, 2023 18:37:57 GMT
Yes, general can be in the landing force….seen it and done it many times.
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Post by Les1964 on Apr 3, 2023 18:47:34 GMT
Yes, general can be in the landing force . As long as they aren't Art , El or WWg .  |
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Post by Baldie on Apr 3, 2023 19:17:27 GMT
Yes, general can be in the landing force . As long as they aren't Art , El or WWg . Wwhich I always thought was odd as a Nellie is perfectly equipped for a shallow water borne invasion. |
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Post by goldenhord on Apr 3, 2023 20:32:51 GMT
ok that is what we saw, thank you guys.
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Post by stevie on Apr 3, 2023 22:40:47 GMT
I must confess to disliking the DBA style of ‘amphibious landings’,
as I can find not a single example of it ever happening historically…
…not in the ancient period, the Napoleonic, nor the modern period.
Yes, the are many examples of entire armies landing on beaches,
such as Caesar’s landing in Briton, or the Roman invasion of Mona
(Anglesey, North Wales) in 60 AD…
…but no examples of a small contingent landing during a battle.
Nonetheless, it’s in the rules, and we just have to live with it.
I have come to justifying it as a form of ambush.
Perhaps they crossed the waterway and disembarked at night,
so come the morning their presence comes as a complete
surprise to enemy.
(Actually, it’s the only of form of ambush in DBA…in all other
cases, all the troops are deployed in plain sight for all to see)
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Post by macbeth on Apr 3, 2023 23:01:15 GMT
I always thought that the Battle of Jaffa was an example of both Littoral Landing and a sally from a fort all rolled into one
For those of us that remember the introduction of bombards in WRG6 and the rules concerning them blowing up, with a specific chance of killing the general if nearby
Sounds like the death of James II of Scotland was the sole example there - so I contend that the number of examples required to be included in the rules has traditionally been 1
cheers
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Post by jim1973 on Apr 4, 2023 3:32:25 GMT
I must confess to disliking the DBA style of ‘amphibious landings’, as I can find not a single example of it ever happening historically… …not in the ancient period, the Napoleonic, nor the modern period. Yes, the are many examples of entire armies landing on beaches, such as Caesar’s landing in Briton, or the Roman invasion of Mona (Anglesey, North Wales) in 60 AD… …but no examples of a small contingent landing during a battle. Nonetheless, it’s in the rules, and we just have to live with it. I have come to justifying it as a form of ambush. Perhaps they crossed the waterway and disembarked at night, so come the morning their presence comes as a complete surprise to enemy. (Actually, it’s the only of form of ambush in DBA…in all other
cases, all the troops are deployed in plain sight for all to see)I too, dislike Littoral landings in DBA. Not only because as stevie and macbeth point out, they are either extremely rare or non-existant in history, (Jaffa seems debatable as the larger crusader force came from the sea) but they are also boring once you've seen them in action because they are so predictable: - the defender almost always puts a force on the waterway for a landing (why wouldn't you? it gives good flexibility) - if the invader is not littoral they deploy with some variation of refusing the flank adjacent to the waterway leading the defender to usually deploy around midway to stay in command since the flank is now safe - if the invader can use littoral landings they will almost always counter with their own force causing the defender to now deploy with a refused flank, often with their landing force near their baseline. Again the invader usually deploys around midway as the flank is now safe so it's not worth risking the command issues. Occasionally, you see it played different but it seems most experienced players tend to follow along in roughly this way. there is no surprise to this "surprise" landing. No real ambush. I've been toying with a way to include PB's DBMM stratagems and covert them into DBA but haven't found the right mechanism. But it could be a good way to help light infantry or light horse heavy armies gain some advantage. Cheers Jim |
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