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Post by louien on Mar 1, 2023 0:40:43 GMT
Hello,
Just a search for a historical flavor. Why are Light horse units able to quick kill Knights.
I see quick kill more related to shock momentum. I do not see light horse having that shock power.
Is this more related to ability to run down the broken knights?
just curious.
Thanks
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Post by Simon on Mar 1, 2023 8:26:38 GMT
Might be something to do with impetuous knights over-extending themselves, blowing their horses and then being picked off by swarms of LH. See unit descriptions on P3.
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Post by stevie on Mar 1, 2023 9:29:25 GMT
I have a few historical examples for you Louien. See fanaticus.boards.net/post/30984/ (although this was mainly about whether 4Kn should pursue or not…
…nonetheless you might still find it useful) |
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Post by louien on Mar 1, 2023 15:36:45 GMT
TY Stevie
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Post by elviro on Jul 28, 2023 16:37:06 GMT
Hi [almost sorry for resurrecting this thread and giving my 2 cents] The way I see it, the "problem" starts with the term "Quick Kill" itself. It's not used in the rulebook as far as I know, but rather used to talk about rules in a way that's shorter than saying "element pair-offs with combat results that destroy an enemy outright without doubling him". So the term "Quick Kill" or QK refers to rules that lead to a descicive combat outcome quickly, rather than results on battlefields with one side defeating the enemy quickly. Of course both can happen together (as in Warbands against Blades) but don't have to. Now the reasoning why LH quick-kills knights is (I recon), like Simon said, at its core "impetuous knights over-extending themselves, blowing their horses and then being picked off by swarms of LH". The Quick Kill of LH against Kn describes the battlefield tactics used by Light Horsemen to fight Knights. The LH will not engage the Kn directely but rather try to keep their distance and if at all possible lure the Kn into unsucessfull charges until their lines are overextended and the horses blown. When that happens, the Knights will be overwhelmed by the Light Horsemen. And a "win" of LH against Kn in DBx means, that exactly that has happend. We didn't quite "see" it happen, only the dice tell us it did. What we won't experience in fights of Light Horsemen against Knights on the battelfield (says PB) is Light Horsemen slowly pushing Knights backwards, because this is not what Light Horsemen would try to achieve on the battlefield, as it would counter their natural tactic of luring Knights into useseless charges. So no push-back results for LH against Kn in DBx. They are either successful with their tactic (and killing the Knights in the process) or they are not. Nothing in between (or rather the Light Horesemen will keep backing away from Knights further and further -> losing but not being doubled in DBx, or they are destroyed when knights charge home sucessfully one time -> being doubled in DBx).
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Post by vodnik on Jul 28, 2023 17:06:04 GMT
...that is the problem with DBA3. Any newcomer can ask essential questions because the fundamental change. But why not? The balanca did break between version 2 and 3. Poor DBA...
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Post by lkmjbc on Jul 28, 2023 20:10:39 GMT
No it didn't.
The balance of DBA 3 is much better than 2. The narrative (and the game as well) generated is superior in almost every way. I produced a book reproducing 12 historical battles that all play well under DBA 3. Many of these battles would not have played well under DBA 2.
DBA 3 is extremely successful. It has sold more I think than any other version of DBA... and that with it being for most of its life as an expensive hard cover book.
I realize that you don't like DBA 3, but to be honest, I find your comments without reason or cogent argument.
Look I understand your preference for 2.2. That is fine. Different folks will have different preferences. But, DBA is not poor and the "balance" is not broken.
Joe Collins
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Post by vodnik on Jul 28, 2023 21:28:09 GMT
...you were involved in this mainstream title, but that is not the only idea of DBA. This Rules are an engine to connect people to enjoy wargaming...
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Post by vodnik on Jul 28, 2023 21:57:17 GMT
...einige muslimische Listen sind bei DBA3 erweitert worden, das ist OK aber werum nicht die komischen und falschen deutschen???
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Post by vodnik on Jul 28, 2023 22:00:16 GMT
...some muslim lists have been updatet to DBA3, that's OK but why not the weird and wrong German lists???
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