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Post by dpd on Feb 21, 2023 13:29:56 GMT
With certain units having rear support from being deployed in depth (pike, warband) or support from light troops, but DBA neglects to examine a fairly common renaissance heavy infantry combination: pike and blade.
Mercenary companies of Swiss (pike and halberd) and landsknecht (pike and zweidhander) were intermixed units of pike and blade.
One or the other unit type took the forefront depending on the type of enemy they were facing. Pikes handled knights and blade handled other heavy foot.
So I would suggest a deep formation 4pk/4bd.
When facing knights, this formation fights as a unit of deep pike with the same bonus. When facing other foot it fights as a unit of blade with the same depth reinforcement given to warbands.
The combat rules should allow for the mutual slaughter that resulted when two units of these mixed pike/blade formation went at each other - what the Italians called "Bad War".
A pike/blade unit destroyed by a pike/blade should be able to do the same to its enemy one more time before it is removed from the board - mutual slaughter.
P.S. And this unit can also form a square facing outward in all directions when attacked on flank or rear by mounted units (another neglected tactic in DBA).
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Post by Les1964 on Feb 21, 2023 14:25:05 GMT
dpd have you thought about , A) playing another set of rules , or B) writing your own rules ? DBA is meant to be a fast play game , the way you want to play you'll end up with something like Challenger 2000 rules for ancients .
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Post by gonatas on Feb 21, 2023 15:01:20 GMT
Hi there. On the basis,as you say, that a Swiss pike block had a contingent of halberdiers incorporated then I wonder whether simply changing Swiss pike elements to 6Bd would do the trick in dba terms. Fearsome, capable of handling Knights and enemy foot, but with their own vulnerabilities in the game. Cheers Stephen
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Post by saxonred on Feb 21, 2023 18:34:38 GMT
dpd have you thought about , A) playing another set of rules , or B) writing your own rules ? DBA is meant to be a fast play game , the way you want to play you'll end up with something like Challenger 2000 rules for ancients . Could even use the 'House Rules' section. Lots there and anyone can add to them. fanaticus.boards.net/board/14/house-rulesdpd, there is no route to changing the published rule book so House Rules are the next best thing. Players can then take them or leave them.
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Post by felixs on Feb 22, 2023 7:45:01 GMT
Good idea for a house rule, I would say.
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