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Post by stevie on Sept 30, 2022 8:20:43 GMT
I have a question for the DBA community.
Camps on page 7 of the rules says:-
“It must be in GOOD GOING (except Plough)…”
Now I’ve always read this to mean Camps cannot be placed on top of Plough.
(Plough being an exception and is not classed as Good Going for Camp placement purposes).
But some players read it differently and think it means you can place a Camp on top of Plough.
So which is it?
It may seem trivial, and I myself am not bothered either way…
…but it would be nice if we all interpreted this rule in the same manor.
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Post by Les1964 on Sept 30, 2022 8:58:18 GMT
The "going" of the plough isn't know until , the 1st PIP die is rolled .
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Post by stevie on Sept 30, 2022 9:08:28 GMT
…er…Camps are placed before deployment, and before the defender’s 1st PIP roll.
Are you saying that if the 1st PIP roll is a “1”, and the Plough becomes Rough Going,
then the Camp placement is illegal (it’s not in Good Going), so the Camp must be moved?
I don’t think that was the intention of this rule.
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Post by menacussecundus on Sept 30, 2022 9:10:38 GMT
The "going" of the plough isn't know until , the 1st PIP die is rolled . The rules actually say that "Plough is GOOD GOING but changes to ROUGH GOING if....." So at the point at which camps are placed, the Plough is (still) good going. I agree with stevie. Camps cannot be placed on top of plough. |
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Post by Les1964 on Sept 30, 2022 9:32:57 GMT
The "going" of the plough isn't know until , the 1st PIP die is rolled . I agree with stevie. Camps cannot be placed on top of plough. Me as well , with what's on Page 7 under CAMPS . As for moving a camp , there shouldn't be a need to . |
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Post by paulisper on Sept 30, 2022 10:40:08 GMT
I take the opposite view that camps can be placed on top of Plough, as it’s good going at the time of placement- seems a tad bizarre, but that’s how I read it…
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Post by menacussecundus on Sept 30, 2022 10:53:11 GMT
I take the opposite view that camps can be placed on top of Plough, as it’s good going at the time of placement- seems a tad bizarre, but that’s how I read it… P And the parenthetical "except plough" in the first paragraph in the section headed camps then means what exactly? |
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Post by stevie on Sept 30, 2022 11:36:46 GMT
I agree Menasussecundas.
If it had said “It must be in GOOD GOING (including Plough)…”, then we wouldn’t be having this debate.
But it doesn’t; it quite clearly says "except Plough".
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All this does lead us to another related problem…
…what if a large 6 x 3 BW piece of terrain has been placed 1 BW from the table-edge,
and there simply isn’t room to place a Camp?
You could say “well, it’s the responsibility of the invader to pick an edge where there IS room”,
but what about the defender, who has no say in the matter?
I can think of three possible solutions to this dilemma:-
1) place the Camp so that it does fit, with part of it overhanging over the table-edge…
2) shift the impeding terrain slightly in order to make room…
or 3) always place terrain not one by two BW from a table-edge, so there will be room.
Saying what the hell and allowing a Camp to be put on top of Plough might be acceptable,
but what about placing Camps inside Woods or on Difficult Hills? So not a good solution.
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Post by paulisper on Sept 30, 2022 11:39:08 GMT
I take the opposite view that camps can be placed on top of Plough, as it’s good going at the time of placement- seems a tad bizarre, but that’s how I read it… P And the parenthetical "except plough" in the first paragraph in the section headed camps then means what exactly? Fair enough - I recant 😝 P |
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Post by Baldie on Sept 30, 2022 14:08:10 GMT
And the parenthetical "except plough" in the first paragraph in the section headed camps then means what exactly? Fair enough - I recant 😝 P For Gorcs sake, dont publically agree with Stevie. There is no telling where it will end. |
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Post by paulisper on Sept 30, 2022 14:38:41 GMT
Fair enough - I recant 😝 P For Gorcs sake, dont publically agree with Stevie. There is no telling where it will end. I was more swayed by Denis, which could be seen as even worse… 🤣 P |
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Post by stevie on Sept 30, 2022 16:56:23 GMT
For Gorcs sake, dont publically agree with Stevie. There is no telling where it will end. Everyone is allowed their own opinion… …but mine is the one that’s right.  |
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Post by Simon on Oct 2, 2022 10:27:58 GMT
Camping goes like this:
"Oh look! That looks like a decent bit of flat ploughed/crop field to put the festival tents up in."
Rain overnight.
Next morning: "Oh bloody hell! That was heavy rain last night. Apart from the tent leaking, I see it's all boggy and we can't move around as quick!"
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Post by stevie on Oct 2, 2022 10:40:31 GMT
…and realizing that you’ve forget to bring your wellies when tramping through the mud to the communal toilet…  |
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