D3H2 Question...

This is really a question for MedievalThomas…
…but I hate to see a question go unanswered.
So I’ll have a go.

D3H2 2016 says:-
   “An element (except Dragons) not in frontal close combat but in mutual right-to-right or left-to-left
    front or rear corner contact with any enemy element except Psiloi and Sneakers overlaps it; even when
    the enemy element is exposed by its frontal opponent having recoiled, fled or been destroyed that bound.
    Any enemies in any mutual flank edge contact overlap each other whether in close combat or not.
    An element can overlap 2 enemy elements on opposite flanks. A Foot element that did not move this bound
    and has its nearest front corner less than 1 BW from a battlefield edge counts as overlapped on that corner.
    Only 1 overlap or flank contact is counted per flank.”
(Note that Scythed Chariots has been missed out, as these are not used in HoTT…but neither are Psiloi)

This is similar to DBA 3.0:-
   “An element not in frontal close combat but in mutual right-to-right or left-to-left front corner contact
    with any enemy element except Psiloi or Scythed Chariots overlaps this; even if it is exposed by a frontal
    opponent having recoiled, fled or been destroyed that bound. Any enemies in any mutual flank edge
    contact overlap each other whether in close combat or not.
    An element can overlap 2 enemy elements on opposite flanks. Only 1 overlap or flank contact is counted per flank”

…and this is similar to HoTT 2.1:-
   “An element counts as an overlap against an enemy element in close combat if either of the following apply:
         * It is in right-to-right or left-to-left front corner contact with the enemy element,
            and is not itself in full front edge close combat.
        * It is in partial or complete side edge to side edge contact with the enemy element,
           whether or not itself (is) in close combat to its front.
           Two opposing elements in contact on their side edges overlap each other.”


Basically, all three of the above quotes say the same thing…
…you can’t apply the corner-to-corner overlap penalty on an enemy if your element is in close combat,
but the penalty does apply when side edges touch, even if they are in close combat.

I don’t know why you think that ‘'side overlap (as described above) is not allowed in regular 3.0”.
Side-edge overlaps/flank-edge overlaps/mutual side-edges touching (which all mean the same thing)
has always been in DBA, going all the way back to DBA 1.0.
See DBA 3.0 figures 16b & 16c.

Otherwise, yes, the quotes above all appear to say the same thing as DBA 3.0 does.

However, there are exceptions in HoTT (ain’t there always?).
See the Overlaps And Non-Combat Contacts diagram, which in my soft back version of HoTT 2.1
is on page 35.
This shows that Aerial Troops can be in physical front-edge contact with an enemy, yet not be in
close combat, so can still corner-to-corner overlap an adjacent enemy (which is a bit confusing!).

Should add this is another example of how dense the DBX rules as written by Phil are. Its easy to miss even an essential concept such as friction Overlaps for new players.

TomT

I agree with you Tom about Aerial Troops in physical front-edge contact with an enemy.

If they want to overlap an adjacent enemy, then they must come down to ground level.
And if they are at ground level, then the enemy can get at them.
If they don’t like it, then stay in the air, and don’t come down to fight or overlap.

However, there is one minor point in D3H2…
…you say that Sneakers can ignore corner-to-corner overlaps like DBA 3.0 Psiloi.
Where in the HoTT rules does it say this?

Now many players over the years have complained about the uselessness of Sneakers.
One ‘House Rule’ that would make them more useful is to have them cost no PIP’s to move.

After all, would Ring Bearers Frodo Baggins and Sam Gamgee stand around waiting for
orders (i.e. PIP’s), or would they be off on their own?
Likewise, would Doctor Who and his companion stand around waiting for the Brigadier
of U.N.I.T. to issue them orders (i.e. PIP’s), or would they too be off on their own?

It won’t make Sneakers more powerful…but at least they won’t be a PIP drain on the rest of the army.

Just started back into HotT after several years. I've played DBA 3.0, and I'd like to see what ya'll have done in bringing HotT up to date. Is there a pdf out there I can download?

Thanks
Kevin

Excellent, thanks!