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Post by arnopov on Dec 1, 2021 14:33:37 GMT
Are 6Cv allowed (as "core" troops), or not? They have 3 vs Mounted and 3 vs Foot, but get a +1 vs Foot (most of the time, as in close combat in GGo) As they are really good elements in general, the theme would probably work better if they were not allowed (as "core"). In the other thread, Simon said elements such as this would be permissible. They are generally good, I agree, but they come with their issues, so I don't have a problem with them being counted as 'core' P. It wasn't super clear in the other thread whether Simon's answer to Diades was only for the general, or also included the 6Cv. Just double-checking. No doubt it will be fun either way.
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Post by Simon on Dec 1, 2021 17:09:45 GMT
You can bring a 6Cv without it counting against your 2 "heavies."
Cheers
Simon
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Post by martin on Dec 1, 2021 18:24:10 GMT
Surely this disadvantages any army with hordes, artillery, Ellyfunts unnecessarily? ….having tried the ‘Blind General’ I think it’s hard enough with ‘normal’ elements.
Also, I have a feeling that game times will be longer (= more draws/timed out)
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Post by Les1964 on Dec 1, 2021 18:37:49 GMT
Surely this disadvantages any army with hordes, artillery, Ellyfunts unnecessarily ? When Tony Aguilar did it both sides , had to have X number of elements which cost an extra PIP to move . Which may make list building harder , with the comp rules ? |
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Post by martin on Dec 1, 2021 19:08:10 GMT
Surely this disadvantages any army with hordes, artillery, Ellyfunts unnecessarily ? When Tony Aguilar did it both sides , had to have X number of elements which cost an extra PIP to move . Which may make list building harder , with the comp rules ? Well it will certainly make choosing Hd, El or Art a bit of a tough one. They’re already difficult to move, and become a liability under these rules…. Ah well, that’s Early Libyan on the back burner, then…. |
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Post by martin on Dec 1, 2021 19:12:15 GMT
You can bring a 6Cv without it counting against your 2 "heavies." Cheers Simon In that case, bring on the massed (ie 2 x..,) bows 😊 |
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Post by Les1964 on Dec 1, 2021 20:12:33 GMT
Well it will certainly make choosing Hd, El or Art a bit of a tough one. I was more thinking the El or Art , could take the army over the 2 CF 3 elements . |
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Post by paulisper on Dec 1, 2021 21:13:42 GMT
Surely this disadvantages any army with hordes, artillery, Ellyfunts unnecessarily? ….having tried the ‘Blind General’ I think it’s hard enough with ‘normal’ elements. Also, I have a feeling that game times will be longer (= more draws/timed out) Not sure about that. With most elements having CF of 3 or less, combats are going to take less time to reach resolution… P |
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Post by Simon on Dec 1, 2021 22:34:09 GMT
The reason for having lower factor combat troops is to mitigate against the risk of games taking too long - they should b quicker.
Simon
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Post by Baldie on Dec 2, 2021 7:05:17 GMT
The reason for having lower factor combat troops is to mitigate against the risk of games taking too long - they should b quicker. Simon Not sure I can speed mine up that far. 5-10 min for someone to thrash me being standard. |
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Post by gerardus on Dec 2, 2021 8:50:48 GMT
I think the first or second video Tony & co did with blind general, one of the pre-requisites for army choice was that they all had to have at least one 2 pip unit. So they did play test this and you can watch it. Not sure they ever got in a situation where they need three pips for one unit though. But once a unit is requiring that many pips there is always uncertainty in whether you will ever get control of it again.
Personally I like the increased friction and less scope for fancy dressage that can happen with 5/6 pips just before contact to maximise unit match ups. ...and even no visible/effective movement in a turn once in a while, due to not having enough pips for a 2+ pip moves. These are all things that can increase the emotional rollercoaster of the battle and can be explained away in the battle narrative.
In summary, think I am a big fan of Blind General Just the way it is!
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Post by martin on Dec 2, 2021 9:10:44 GMT
Well it will certainly make choosing Hd, El or Art a bit of a tough one. I was more thinking the El or Art , could take the army over the 2 CF 3 elements . TBH, I’ve quickly scanned the lists and nearly every army with El or Art is a tough army with ‘too many’ blades, knights or bows to keep it legal. (Exceptions Timurids, Abyssinian perhaps). It’s the armies with horde masses which are more likely to be ‘allowed’, per the lists, so they’re the ones more likely to be the ones struggling with movement. (Previous comment on early Libyan a list was ‘real’…..thought an army which you ‘point and press’ might work easiest). |
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Post by paulisper on Dec 2, 2021 13:00:12 GMT
I was more thinking the El or Art , could take the army over the 2 CF 3 elements . TBH, I’ve quickly scanned the lists and nearly every army with El or Art is a tough army with ‘too many’ blades, knights or bows to keep it legal. (Exceptions Timurids, Abyssinian perhaps). It’s the armies with horde masses which are more likely to be ‘allowed’, per the lists, so they’re the ones more likely to be the ones struggling with movement. (Previous comment on early Libyan a list was ‘real’…..thought an army which you ‘point and press’ might work easiest). As you’re retired, Martin, do you fancy creating a list for us of all permissible armies 😉😝🤣 P |
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Post by martin on Dec 2, 2021 14:58:31 GMT
TBH, I’ve quickly scanned the lists and nearly every army with El or Art is a tough army with ‘too many’ blades, knights or bows to keep it legal. (Exceptions Timurids, Abyssinian perhaps). It’s the armies with horde masses which are more likely to be ‘allowed’, per the lists, so they’re the ones more likely to be the ones struggling with movement. (Previous comment on early Libyan a list was ‘real’…..thought an army which you ‘point and press’ might work easiest). As you’re retired, Martin, do you fancy creating a list for us of all permissible armies 😉😝🤣 P Nope 😎 !! There are very many, but they thin out as you progress to books III and IV (apart from some Meso-American/South American ones)….I started by noting all possibilities, but later it became more of a trawl through ‘what could I cobble together’ armies, rather than listing all that were possibles. Luckily the Zanj are excluded 😊 |
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Post by paulisper on Dec 2, 2021 19:59:46 GMT
As you’re retired, Martin, do you fancy creating a list for us of all permissible armies 😉😝🤣 P Nope 😎 !! We’ll, that’s just a shocking level of commitment on display there 😝 P |
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