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Post by jim1973 on Oct 17, 2021 3:37:26 GMT
On a roll now, so here are the Thracians. Tin Soldier miniatures with Hillfort and Camp in Hilly Thrace.  Next up, more tribal armies. Cheers Jim |
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Post by Simon on Oct 17, 2021 7:48:58 GMT
Nice to see Tin Soldier on display!
Simon
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Post by greedo on Oct 19, 2021 15:31:46 GMT
I always love Thracians. I think it's the hats, and the plethora of light troops.
Nice looking BBDBA army you got there!
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 20, 2021 3:24:55 GMT
I always love Thracians. I think it's the hats, and the plethora of light troops. Nice looking BBDBA army you got there! That's what you need to cover the options for the army list! I like to randomly roll for the army composition when playing solo. Cheers Jim |
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Post by decebalus on Oct 20, 2021 14:03:19 GMT
I am unhappy, that rhompaia troops arent Blades.
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Post by greedo on Oct 20, 2021 15:38:01 GMT
I am unhappy, that rhompaia troops arent Blades. Should they be fast Blades? I've always felt that Fast Blades should be 4,3, since 5,3 should be reserved for really heavy infantry. Would that make it more palatable for Thracians to have some 3Bd? What about rating them as 3Wb? Did falxmen/Rhompaia do a crazy charge, and everybody ran away from the giant blade? Or make 4Ax 4,3. There's a missing troop type in there me thinks that's more powerful (and less nimble) than 3Ax, but not as powerful as 5Bd. 4Ax is supposed to be that, but nobody likes it because it gets killed in the battleline... Lots of threads on this.. |
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Post by menacussecundus on Oct 20, 2021 15:52:41 GMT
I am unhappy, that rhompaia troops arent Blades. Seems odd, given that Dacian falxmen are classified as Fast Blade. Perhaps the thinking is that there were too few of them to justify their being represented on the table? |
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Post by martin on Oct 20, 2021 16:56:20 GMT
I am unhappy, that rhompaia troops arent Blades. Couple of ‘3Bd’ appear in the Dacian list, similar thinking……could be that the DBM(M) list that the DBA Thracians derive from sees them as a type of ‘superior Ax’. Always tough trying to classify troops. |
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Post by greedo on Oct 21, 2021 0:50:44 GMT
I am unhappy, that rhompaia troops arent Blades. Couple of ‘3Bd’ appear in the Dacian list, similar thinking……could be that the DBM(M) list that the DBA Thracians derive from sees them as a type of ‘superior Ax’. Always tough trying to classify troops. It could also be that, in a DBMM list, you'd get maybe 1-2 of them since they were rare? In which case, a DBA army might be too scaled out to warrant 1/12 of the army. But comeon, 1 little bitty element of 3Bd would make Thracians so fun! |
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Post by jim1973 on Oct 21, 2021 9:47:15 GMT
I wonder if PB didn't look at armies in terms of groups of natural enemies. I suspect Bd may have been too powerful in open terrain for the Hoplite Sp they would meet regularly. It's just how I see the grading and come to terms with things like Vikings that historically were shieldwall spearmen being Bd and NKE spearmen being Bd.
Cheers
Jim
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Post by martin on Oct 21, 2021 12:23:04 GMT
I wonder if PB didn't look at armies in terms of groups of natural enemies. I suspect Bd may have been too powerful in open terrain for the Hoplite Sp they would meet regularly.. I suspect you’re close to the truth there…. we always have to remember that troop classification is to do with fighting style not the particular weapon that the figures carry. Thracians have for a while been seen as the archetypal loose order skirmishing javelin-throwers, and by comparison to their Greek neighbours were ‘nuisance and harassment types’ rather than ‘shield wall and get stuck in types’.
(Otherwise Greek hoplites could be called blades, as well. After all, they carried a sword…) |
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Post by greedo on Oct 21, 2021 14:05:19 GMT
So to that point, the falx wasn’t really a “harassment” thrown weapon. It was a “get in your face and attack hard” type weapon, so if there were enough of them, it could warrant an element.
Obviously you wouldn’t want more than 1 element of them or your “harassing” force of Thracians would suddenly become like a Viking or samurai army to your point. But what about just 1 element? It could do some damage but the main battle line wouldn’t stand against hoplites in the open.
I’m still a believer in the 4,3 fast blade so perhaps this becomes a house rule.
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