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Post by Roland on Jun 16, 2021 13:13:23 GMT
Figure 4 shows how one can group move into column and narrow frontage, however, my question ( one I seemingly always get hung up on) is how many PiPs does it cost to snap a column into a line? If I have a column 3 elements deep and want to snap that column into a line (either straight ahead in a reverse of Figure 4 , or to the left of the right facing) is it one PiP or three?
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Post by ronisan on Jun 16, 2021 13:41:09 GMT
Hello Roland,
every single element moving costs 1 PIP.
Cheers,
Ronald
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Post by stevie on Jun 16, 2021 13:53:01 GMT
I agree with Ronald.  But you could do it with 2 PIP’s… …the front element halts, the 2nd rank moves to its left, and the 3rd rank moves to its right. (Unless of course your rear ranks are being pinned by an enemy X-Ray Threat Zone) |
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Post by Roland on Jun 16, 2021 14:21:11 GMT
But Figure 4's 'frontage reduction diagram' is only a single PiP maneuver? I ask because it implies without actually noting how many Pips were used to execute the frontage reduction.
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Post by sheffmark on Jun 16, 2021 14:43:50 GMT
Hi Roland
As I understand it, moving in or into a column is a group move (last para, page 8) so only takes one PIP.
There is no group move for moving out of a column so it has to be done by single element moves unless you form another column. E.g. imagine Fig 4 is reverse 180 degrees and the starting positions are as A2 - D2, you could take C2 and A2 and move them alongside D2 and B2 for one PIP. Or you could move B2 to one side of D2 for one PIP and move C2 (and A2 behind it in a column if you wanted) to the other side of D2 for another PIP.
Cheers
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Post by Roland on Jun 16, 2021 14:48:16 GMT
Yep. Page 8 explicitly mentions moving _into_ column as a form of "group move". Since no mention is made of leaving column, it seems pretty clear that, as stated by Ronald, that it takes a Pip to move each element out of column formation. Thank you, All.
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Post by stevie on Jun 16, 2021 15:03:15 GMT
Think of it this way:-
“You lot go forwards, and the rest of you follow behind them” is a simple
single order (costing only 1 PIP).
“You lot at the front halt. You in the 2nd row go left of them to form a line,
while you in the 3rd row go to the right to do the same on their other flank”
is more complex, requiring several orders, taking up more of the general’s time
(time he could have used to issue other orders to other units, so costs more PIPs)
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Post by ronisan on Jun 17, 2021 6:25:45 GMT
@ roland
Hello Roland,
just as an additional hint to you ...
In your example of a group of 4 elements in column, you may e.g. use one PIP to move the 2nd row element "sliding sideways" out of the column to one side of the front row
... and use a 2nd PIP to move the small group left (column of 2 elements consisting of row 3 and 4) to move (!) to the other side of the front row.
Or 2nd row sliding 2BW sideways and then forward (if the troops have enough movement) ... and filling the gap with with the group (2 element column) left.
But beware - it needs some free space in it's front because group moves are only allowed to move forward (!) - no sliding sideways!
Cheers
Ronald
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Post by medievalthomas on Jul 12, 2021 21:57:10 GMT
I would have left both these manuvers out of DBA but yes you can form a column for 1 Pip but not snap a column into a line.
It took major drill to do these things and they are more appropriate for Napoleonics than Ancient/Medieval.
TomT
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Post by ronisan on Jul 13, 2021 17:38:08 GMT
… of course the small group must have enough space to „wheel out“ of the former column! Doesn‘t work with e.g. solid Pk  |
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