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Post by marcpawl on Dec 30, 2020 21:26:40 GMT
Newbie question. During terrain placement the defender rolls to place a river on the North East quadrant. Are these three placements allowed? "A River must run from 1 battlefield edge to a different battlefield edge" And when the invader is choosing the base for deployment which sides are not opposite a waterway? Crossing River | | | North | | | | R | R | R | R | R | R | | | | | |
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River Bend Diagonal river |
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Post by arnopov on Dec 30, 2020 22:02:34 GMT
As long as "It cannot start or go within 4 BW of any battlefield edge except the 2 edges it flows from and towards", then yes, all three placements are valid. I'm especially fond of the "bending river" for "Tropical" armies, nifty.
Concerning your other query, as waterways are a totally different kettle of fish, and assuming the absence of a road, the invader could choose any side.
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Post by haywire on Dec 31, 2020 9:32:24 GMT
The first example is valid. The second one might be OK. The third one is invalid.
On page 6, CHOOSING AND PLACING TERRAIN FEATURES, second paragraph:
"A lesser part of any Gentle Hill may, and all Plough and linear features must, extend into 1 only adjacent quarter."
The second example will be OK if the exit point on the West edge is in the SW quadrant. That way it would it would be in both NW and SW quadrants.
The third example is illegal because the river goes through three quadrants: NW, SE, and either NE or SW.
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Post by stevie on Dec 31, 2020 10:43:09 GMT
Arnopov is right that a River is not a Waterway...they are completely different.
An invader cannot choose a base-edge that is opposite (i.e. facing) a Waterway.
(See page 8, first paragraph)
And Haywire is also right about linear features can only extend into one adjacent quarter.
(See page 6, fourth paragraph)
Also note that bendy rivers cannot be longer than 1½ times the distance between the ends.
(I use a piece of string draped along the river, then stretch-out the string into a straight line
to measure it)
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Post by stevie on Dec 31, 2020 11:13:06 GMT
Oh, and note also there is a bit of a contradiction when using Roads and Waterways together.
Roads cannot end on a Waterway, but they can end on a BUA that is touching a Waterway edge.
Deployment on page 8 first paragraph says “The invader selects the base edge. If a Road crosses
the battlefield, one of the intersected sides must be chosen, otherwise any edge that is not opposite
a Waterway”.
So if a defender places a Waterway, then has a BUA touching it, they could place a Road to end at the BUA.
That means the invader has no choice but to take the Road end that intersects the table edge as his base...
...which is opposite the Waterway...which he is prevented from selecting! 🤪
The easiest solution to this paradox is to take the rules literally, and follow them word-for-word.
“If a Road crosses the battlefield, one of the intersected sides must be chosen...”
A Road ending at a BUA does not fully cross the battlefield, as one end of it does not touch a table edge.
Therefore the invader can ignore the Road limitation and choose any edge (except that opposite the Waterway).
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Post by haywire on Dec 31, 2020 11:16:23 GMT
This is a good example of where brevity and conciseness hinders clarity.
It would probably have been better if the sentence had been split into:
"A lesser part of any Gentle Hill may, and all Plough must, extend into 1 only adjacent quarter."
and
"Linear features must extend into 1 only adjacent quarter."
Stick the former in the area terrain section and the latter in the linear terrain section.
Ditto for a few other sentences in that paragraph.
Many players must miss this. We did when we first started playing.
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