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Post by vodnik on Oct 12, 2020 10:29:44 GMT
As most Germanic people left their pasture & migrated to south europe Slavic groups entered that woods & marshes from what is now eastern Poland. There was a broad border river called Elbe. On the north shore & also in Sleswig Holstein lived the Abodrites & Wagri. Small groups entered Danmark. This did happen before the Viking list started.
737 Raid against the Danevirke: 3/40c Leidang: 3x4bd(Gen), 6x3ax, 2x2ps, 1x7hd
3/1a( 3b list starts later) Wagri: 2x3cv(Gen), 7x3ax, 1x3bd, 2x2ps |
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Post by vodnik on Oct 13, 2020 19:40:11 GMT
631 Battle of Wogastisburg between Middle Frankish Austrasian under Dagobert I against Slavic tribes under Samo somewhere in German or Bohemian woods
3/5a Middle Frankish; Ag: 3: 2x3kn or cv(Gen), 6x4wb, 3x4sp or 4wb, 1xps
3/1b Early Slav; Ag: 1: 3xcv(Gen), 7x3ax, 2xps
The problem with this battle is; the western Slav list starts abaut 100 years later... |
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Post by vodnik on Oct 15, 2020 16:29:45 GMT
Charlemagne's Saxon wars 772-804
...to establish a Frankish empire on a territory what is now Germany Charlemagne had to subdue the old Saxons in northern Germany. But there were more acters in that game. The Danes & 2 rivalling Slavic tribes: the Abodrites suporting Charlemagne & the Wiltzi suporting pagan Saxons:
2/73 Old Saxon 250–804 forest Ag:2: 11x4wb(gen), 1xps
3/28 Carolingian Frankish 639-888 arable Ag:3: 3xkn(Gen), 2x3kn or 4bd, 1x3cv, 4x4sp, 2xps
3/4c Leidang 790-1070 littoral Ag:1: 3x4bd(Gen), 6x3ax, 2xps, 1x3bd
3/1a Abodrites, torest Ag:1: 3x3cv(G), 7x3ax, 2x2ps
3/1a Wilzi, torest Ag:1: 3x3cv(G), 7x3ax, 2x2ps
It could be a good idea to fight the DBA battle: The Saxons with 2 armies & the Wilzi as allies. Charlemagne with 2 armies & the allied Abodrites. Alternatively you can use on the Saxon side; Saxons, Leidang and the Slavs. The problem is; Abodrites facing Wilzi will forget the big battle but try to kill as many as possible of rivaling Slaws... |
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Post by vodnik on Oct 18, 2020 9:07:26 GMT
...first Sorbian groups arrived in the 6th century as northern neighbours of the Bohemians. Both tribes made raids into Thuringian teritosy.
3/1a Sorbs, forest Ag:1: 3x3cv(Gen), 7x3ax, 2x2ps
2/73 Thuringian 250–531 forest Ag:2: 11x4wb(Gen), 1xps |
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Post by vodnik on Oct 23, 2020 8:01:55 GMT
...there are the southern Slavs living in Croatia & Serbia. Both tribes were ordered by a byzantine ruler to protect the country against the Avars. As a bohemian i can understand the serbockoatian language prety good as it is a Slav language. But both Serbs & Croats seems to be Sarmatians in origin.
The slavic origin could be white Croatia in southeastern Poland. The Serbs could be a similar tribe as the Sorbs living now in eastern Germany. So both armies can fight against the Avars. There are notes that the Croats faught as allies with Carlemagne in former Pannonia... |
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