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Post by louien on Aug 19, 2020 0:38:36 GMT
Hello,
The more I play the more I questions I still have. Here are some for the crowd. Also if a page reference in the Purple book can please be provided that will be most helpful. It allows me to read the Barton and learn to translate.
1. If a warband provides rear support to another warband that is required to pursue does it also move forward?
2. A Blade unit was directly behind another Blade unit that is required to pursue, does it go forward as well?
3. A Blade unit that is forced to recoil can pass through a fellow Blade unit. In practice you just place one unit behind the other. Can Warbands do a similar move or do they simply get pushed back.
4. If a warband is forced to recoil but it had rear support from another warband why do both get pushed back vs the front one being destroyed. I am really looking for the text here.
Thanks for any information
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Post by louien on Aug 19, 2020 4:57:58 GMT
I believe I found the test for #4.
"If the recoiling element is not Elephants, friends facing in the same direction are interpenetrated if allowed. If not so allowed they are pushed back far enough to make room for the recoil unless they are Elephants or War-Wagons."
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Post by timurilank on Aug 19, 2020 6:09:19 GMT
1. If a warband provides rear support to another warband that is required to pursue does it also move forward?
2. A Blade unit was directly behind another Blade unit that is required to pursue, does it go forward as well?
3. A Blade unit that is forced to recoil can pass through a fellow Blade unit. In practice you just place one unit behind the other. Can Warbands do a similar move or do they simply get pushed back.
4. If a warband is forced to recoil but it had rear support from another warband why do both get pushed back vs the front one being destroyed. I am really looking for the text here.
Question 1 and 2.
Pursuing, page 11, line 3
‘Otherwise an element whose close combat opponents recoil, flee or are destroyed (and all elements in a column behind such an element) must immediately pursue; but only if:
Question 3
Interpenetrating Troops, page 9, second paragraph
‘Recoilers can pass through friends facing in exactly the same direction to a clear space immediately behind the first element met, but only if either…
Then follow the condition under which (a) Mounted troops, (b) Blades, (c) Pikes or bows (d) Psiloi may recoil.
Warband are not listed.
Question 4
If the warband must recoil and has an element providing rear support, both must recoil. This is covered in line 2 of Recoiling or Being Pushed Back.
Both are destroyed if the following are met:
Destroyed Elements, page 12, line 4
An element that has an enemy front edge in contact with its side or rear edge is destroyed by recoiling, being pushed back, fleeing or being in a column whose front element is destroyed.
If there is no enemy front edge in contact with the column’s side or rear edge, the only the front element is destroyed.
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Post by menacussecundus on Aug 19, 2020 7:20:47 GMT
Re Question 3: Recoiling Wb can't interpenetrate a friendly unit. However, in practice, if you have two Wb elements one behind another and the front one recoils, it is usually quicker to leave the rear one where it is and move the front one behind immediately behind it.
There are some exceptions to this, the main one being if one of the Wb elements in the General. In those cases, you'll have to move both elements back.
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Post by stevie on Aug 19, 2020 8:33:45 GMT
To clarify Timurilank’s Question 4 reply. The FAQ says:- “Elephants that receive a recoil result with (an) enemy in front-edge contact to both their front and to their flank or rear are destroyed instead of recoiling. This is the same as all other elements.” ...so if the front of a column is destroyed, the element behind does not recoil (but if attacked in the flank both elements are destroyed instead of recoiling). The FAQ also says:- Q: Under "Interpenetrating Troops", the rules state, "Recoilers can pass through friends facing". Does the use of "can" imply the recoiling element may choose to interpenetrate? A: Yes. See diagram 19d. Some Helpful Downloads can be found here: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And here is the latest Jan 2020 FAQ: ancientwargaming.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/dba_faq_q1_2020_final.pdf |
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Post by louien on Aug 19, 2020 22:51:56 GMT
Thank you for all the replies.
So I will say
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Warbands No
4. both warbands pushed back
Another question/observation. Why does DBA 3.0 not have an "in cover" (woods for example) for being shot at?
Just curious
DBA such few words with so much meaning
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Post by macbeth on Aug 20, 2020 1:53:37 GMT
Hi Louien
DBA sort of has an in cover modifier such that for the various cover providing type of Bad Going the shooting range is limited to 1/2 a BW.
In effect, cover is total until you are close enough that it doesn't matter any more.
"Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes!" … "Er - sir, if we can see the whites of their eyes, they can see the whites of our eyes!"
Or alternatively
"Er - sir, they are advancing with their eyes closed, what do we do now ?"
Cheers
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Post by louien on Aug 20, 2020 14:21:26 GMT
Macbeth,
Thank you for that bit of information. I had forgotten that criteria and a good point.
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