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Post by Roland on Jun 26, 2020 0:05:46 GMT
I'm curious. How many folks, with any regularity, incorporate "allies" into their standard DBA games? How many use the "straight lists" ? I ask only because I've been aware of the allies options for many years but have always ( and those I've played with too) have generally stuck to the lists as written. ( perhaps I will expand my horizons and add allies in the future).
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Post by chaotic on Jun 26, 2020 3:24:21 GMT
I use allies a lot. They add character, colour and additional tactical depth to some armies, or they can offset weaknesses in others. Here are some of my favourite examples of the many that I have used on occasion:
I/52b Spartan, with 1/52f Athenian allies - to add variety and a seaborne surprise, II/52 Dacians, with II/26 Sarmatian allies - to add some punch in open terrain, III/39 Southern Han, with Tibetan allies - who wouldn't want 3x 4Kn//Sp allies? IV/54b Kalmar Union, with German allies - a well balanced force with 3x 6Kn wedges!
Also, I like variety in an army, and allies also encourage me to use armies that I would not ordinarily consider. Outside of its historical battles, I don't find the Alexandrian Macedonian list (II/12) particularly interesting from a game perspective, but add in some Thessalian allies (II/5d) and you retain the historical flavour, while adding to the army's flexibility. A similar example is the Army of Maroboduus (II/47e), which is a lot of fun to use when you add in his II/47d Batavian allies, with the prospect of a littoral landing.
Finally, some armies just cry out for the inclusion of their colourful allies - pick almost any Roman list as an example: add in camels, warband, knights, light horse, even Batavian littoral landing allies.
Allies add a great deal of interest to the game and in my view, their limitations provide a reasonable balance so they are definitely worth the extra effort when building armies.
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Post by macbeth on Jun 26, 2020 4:38:06 GMT
At a series of tournaments I have used I/7b Early Libyan with I/28 Sea Peoples - it was easy to dispense with 3 of the 5+ Ps from the Libyans and replace them with 1xHCh and 2x3Bd - packing a punch, and if the opponent leaves a waterway <makes finger pyramid of evil contemplation>. I am very fond of my Libyans and this allowed me to use them competitively - the last time I did it (Cancon 2019) they were 5 from 6 on the first day and when combined with 5 from 6 for the Konstantinian Byzantine on Day 2 I won the overall. I also tried I/26b Trojans with I/24b Hittite Empire - adding in 2xHCh and 1x3Pk - but this mix did not do as well overall Another one I tried was IV/58 Medieval Irish with III/78 - again replacing the Ps with hard hitters (3x4Bd) - but this one didn't fire up. I once (ambitiously) tried the Later Tang with the El and Art option along with Tibetan Allies. It had a little bit of everything and so long as the PIP Gods were kind it did well. Of course the PIP Gods are fickle and vengeful. Cheers
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 26, 2020 12:37:45 GMT
We maybe use allies 1/10 of the time.
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Post by menacussecundus on Jun 26, 2020 13:18:18 GMT
I hate them. I have used them occasionally, but never seem to do that well with them.
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Post by Roland on Jun 26, 2020 13:49:43 GMT
My general feeling is that the lists themselves tend to have their historical "allies" reflected in many of the element options already. I feel like more ally options is just a way of being able to morph an army to combat any other army. Which is fine. ( I guess).
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Post by gregorius on Jun 26, 2020 23:49:39 GMT
As Gary (chaotic) mentioned, allies can add some valuable punch to an army. I've added Romans (Marians or EIR) to my Numidians and Elamites (I/5b) to my Gutians (I/4b).
Cheers,
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Post by Les1964 on Jun 27, 2020 0:48:38 GMT
II/53 Ancient Brits with II/56 EIR , just to get an Art element .
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