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Post by ainock on Jan 18, 2020 20:39:45 GMT
Hello everybody,
A little FRENCH question today. A LH in a ZOC of a blade decide to make a mouvement in his rear. The rule says you must make a entire mouvement. But in my exemple, if the LH make his entire mouvement, it will finish in a wood (wich is a difficult terrain - so limit the mouvement of the LH).
So the LH make his entire mouvement and finish in the wood ? Or the LH stop before entering the wood ?
I know a LH make his entire mouvement when it flies. But in this case ? Where is this precision in the rule ?
Thanks you for the answer...
Ainock
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Post by Baldie on Jan 18, 2020 21:05:42 GMT
Hi There
Rather than entire move to the rear meaning the full max movement of the LH it is if the LH moves to the rear it can use up to its full movement but it must only be to the rear.
Move to the rear but just want to move half a base width or less, no problem but you cant move a base to the rear then a base to the side etc.
Hope that make sense.
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Post by chaotic on Jan 18, 2020 21:13:23 GMT
Hello everybody,
A little FRENCH question today. A LH in a ZOC of a blade decide to make a mouvement in his rear. The rule says you must make a entire mouvement. But in my exemple, if the LH make his entire mouvement, it will finish in a wood (wich is a difficult terrain - so limit the mouvement of the LH).
So the LH make his entire mouvement and finish in the wood ? Or the LH stop before entering the wood ?
I know a LH make his entire mouvement when it flies. But in this case ? Where is this precision in the rule ?
Thanks you for the answer...
Ainock
The rule you refer to (Threat Zone - P. 9) says: An element or group which is at least partly within or whose front edge enters an enemy TZ or touches its far edge can move only: ... (c) if a single element, to move straight back to its own rear for the entire move.
In this case "for the entire move" means any distance up to its full movement allowance. The limitation is that it cannot move in any direction except directly to its rear. In your example, the LH can stop before entering the wood. |
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Post by ainock on Jan 18, 2020 21:35:47 GMT
Thank you Chaotic for this precision. So I think the french translation of the rule have another mistake. I will refer to the french community...
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Post by bluestone28 on Jan 18, 2020 23:43:03 GMT
yes i think we already discuss about it on French Rules Version somewhere (DBA French Forum or Facebook maybe) it's played like that, but it's not bad to remind everyone!  |
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Post by stevie on Jan 19, 2020 10:02:10 GMT
Chaotic is of course 100% correct when he says:- The rule you refer to (Threat Zone - P. 9) says: An element or group which is at least partly within or whose front edge enters an enemy TZ or touches its far edge can move only: ... (c) if a single element, to move straight back to its own rear for the entire move.
In this case "for the entire move" means any distance up to its full movement allowance. The limitation is that it cannot move in any direction except directly to its rear. In your example, the LH can stop before entering the wood. But there is something else to consider:- SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT TACTICAL MOVES DURING THE SAME BOUND [on page 9, but see also figure 5 on page 17]
Some elements or groups that have already moved this bound can make a second or subsequent tactical move if there are enough
PIPs and only if this does not start or go within 1 BW of enemy (unless while moving along a road) and is entirely by:-
(a) Light Horse or mounted infantry; and making a second or third move that is entirely in good going.
(b) Psiloi making a second move either in their side’s first bound of the game, or if every element starts
entirely in good going, but ends at least partially in bad or rough going.
(c) Troops moving along a road if making a second or subsequent move. So technically, a LH can spend an entire move to back out of a Threat Zone (how far it moves is up to its owner), then spend an additional PIP to make a subsequent move and zip off in any direction it likes, all in a single bound. (Note that Threat Zone item (c) says “if a single element, to move straight back to its own rear for the entire move”...
...it does not say “for the entire bound”.)
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Post by Les1964 on Jan 19, 2020 16:38:36 GMT
stevie SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT TACTICAL MOVES DURING THE SAME BOUND [on page 9, but see also figure 5 on page 17] Some elements or groups that have already moved this bound can make a second or subsequent tactical move if there are enough PIPs and only if this does not start or go within 1 BW of enemy (unless while moving along a road) and is entirely by:- (a) Light Horse or mounted infantry; and making a second or third move that is entirely in good going. (b) Psiloi making a second move either in their side’s first bound of the game, or if every element starts entirely in good going, but ends at least partially in bad or rough going. (c) Troops moving along a road if making a second or subsequent move. As they are in the TZ at the start of the move , that would stop any 2nd move happening ( unless on a road ) .
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Post by stevie on Jan 19, 2020 17:08:41 GMT
Ah, but it says:- “Some elements or groups that have already moved this bound can make a second or subsequent tactical move if there are enough PIPs and only if this (i.e. the subsequent move) does not start or go within 1 BW of enemy (unless while moving along a road)...” Soooo... The LH starts the bound in a Threat Zone. It uses its normal move to back out of the Threat Zone. It now wishes to pay an additional PIP to make a subsequent move. And, no longer being in a TZ at the start of the subsequent move, it is free to do so. It doesn't say "...and only if this does not start or go within 1 BW of enemy that bound...” The limitations only apply at the start of a move, not at the start of the bound. |
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Post by chaotic on Jan 19, 2020 20:37:13 GMT
Ah, but it says:- “Some elements or groups that have already moved this bound can make a second or subsequent tactical move if there are enough PIPs and only if this (i.e. the subsequent move) does not start or go within 1 BW of enemy (unless while moving along a road)...” Soooo... The LH starts the bound in a Threat Zone. It uses its normal move to back out of the Threat Zone. It now wishes to pay an additional PIP to make a subsequent move. And, no longer being in a TZ at the start of the subsequent move, it is free to do so. It doesn't say "...and only if this does not start or go within 1 BW of enemy that bound...” The limitations only apply at the start of a move, not at the start of the bound. Stevie is also 100% correct.  |
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Post by bob on Jan 19, 2020 22:50:53 GMT
Ditto to Steve from me.
BTW, as I was reading the text, it struck me for the first time, must those subsequent moves be taken immediately after the first move, or can the elements move later? Say player has 5 PIPs. Moves a LH once. Then moves 3 elements, and ends with a PIP left. Now can he/she move the LH again?
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Post by stevie on Jan 20, 2020 6:19:35 GMT
That’s a good question Bob.
I don’t see why not.
DBA is a positional game, where the current location of our elements conveys important information
about that element’s status and situation, unlike other rules that use on-table markers to communicate
this information to us players.
In other words, elements in DBA have no memory...they don’t remember how or why they are where
they are, just that they are there.
So I see no reason why subsequent moves cannot be taken later in that same bound.
After all all, you might want to move something else out of the way first before making a subsequent move.
On the other hand, LH can only make two subsequent moves, and Ps only one, so you have to remember
how many moves they have already taken. So it is often easier on the brain to make all the subsequent
moves straight after the initial normal move...but I’d say it’s not compulsory.
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Post by medievalthomas on Jan 22, 2020 22:31:50 GMT
Stevie's issue look like great FAQ issues - remind me to raise them next time the great debating society hooks up.
TomT
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