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Post by Obadiah on Jan 1, 2020 22:13:28 GMT
OK so I thought I knew the answer to this but the question recently came up in a game and I am now second guessing.
I don't have my rules in front of me but they essentially say that the command distance is 20BW if entirely LH. Does that mean the entire army is LH or the entire group you are trying to give the order to? Or something else perhaps?
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Post by nangwaya on Jan 1, 2020 22:48:13 GMT
Hi Obadiah;
It is for the entire group being LH.
So the command distance of either a single stand of LH or an entire group of LH will be 20BW.
You can have the rest of the army being made up of other elements and they will be a command distance of 8BW, bearing any restrictions such as terrain interfering, etc..
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Post by bob on Jan 1, 2020 23:04:21 GMT
You must always remember that Phil will use as few words as possible. Notice that the (a) and (b) items refer to "element" or "group".
"Except in the side’s first bound, a move that uses a PIP uses up an extra PIP for each of the two following cases that apply:
(a) If the moving element or group includes any Scythed Chariots not moving into contact with enemy, Elephants, Hordes, War Wagons, Artillery, denizens or camp followers, or is an element currently garrisoning a city, fort or camp.
(b) If the moving element is not the general’s element and either its general’s element has been lost or is entirely in a BUA, camp, Wood, Oasis, Marsh or Gully or if the element or group to be moved starts more than command distance from its general.
Command distance is 20 BW if entirely Light Horse. Otherwise, it is 8 BW, but is reduced to 4 BW for troops entirely beyond the crest of any Hill, beyond a BUA or a camp, on a Difficult Hill, or in or beyond a Wood, Oasis or Dunes."
This last sentence should be:
Command distance is 20 BW if element or entire group of Light Horse. Otherwise, it is 8 BW, but is reduced to 4 BW for troops entirely beyond the crest of any Hill, beyond a BUA or a camp, on a Difficult Hill, or in or beyond a Wood, Oasis or Dunes."
But this might cause the text to wrap around to next line, and that might cause the text on the page to extend to another page:( Anyway, the term "command distance" refers back to the phrase in (b), "(extra PIP needed) if the element or group to be moved starts more than command distance from its general." Then '"command distance" for element or group. is defined. Read all the text together in context.
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Post by sicadi on Jan 3, 2020 17:41:20 GMT
Hello everyone and happy new year!
So do the terrain restrictions apply to LH or is command always 20 BW irrespective of terrain etc?
Have always played LH as not restricted but this thread now has me wondering.
Thanks
Craig
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Post by nangwaya on Jan 3, 2020 18:02:18 GMT
Hey sicadi;
I am with you, in that I have played LH being unaffected by terrain for command distance.
I think this is the norm.
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Post by Vic on Jan 4, 2020 9:57:44 GMT
I concur: LH-only command distance is 20 BW in all circumstances; it's in other cases that intervening terrain or general location can reduce it, because "but (it) is reduced to (...)" only applies to "Otherwise" in the wording of the rule.
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Post by snowcat on Jan 8, 2020 8:59:40 GMT
That's correct: LH-only command distance is 20 BW in all circumstances.  |
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Post by medievalthomas on Jan 9, 2020 22:42:53 GMT
What Bob said. Its element/Group your trying to command not entire army. Element or Group must be all LH.
TomT
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