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Post by coyote139 on Dec 8, 2019 23:05:30 GMT
Hello
I did participate a few weeks ago in my first DBA 3.0 tournament, and it was too my first games with this ruleset (I precise I am an experienced DBM player).
During a game, I was advancing with my blades toward a group of bows. Lined behind these bows, were a group of blades. My opposing player when my blades were close to his bows but not yet contacting them, did withdraw its bows behind its blades, refering to the interpenetration rule p9 where it said that bows can recoil into blades. For me, a recoiler, is an element recoiling following a shooting or close combat action, otherwise it is just a plain interpenetration movement, and so for me this movement was illegal. I did ask the umpire if this movement was legal and he said it was, that it was accepted like this on this forum.
I did some search but I did not find any thread supporting this view, it would rather be the opposite.
But maybe I have not looked whell enough, hence my question to the community : can bows interpenetrate with a backward movement blades or is it just allowed after a shooting or close combat that the bows loose generating a recoil movement ? Of course this would apply to all recoilers mentionned in the interpenetrating troops paragraph.
Yours sincerely
Claude
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Post by nangwaya on Dec 8, 2019 23:28:07 GMT
Hi Claude;
No, the bows cannot interpenetrate the blades.
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Post by chaotic on Dec 8, 2019 23:41:04 GMT
Bows can interpenetrate blades only in the strict circumstance described on p.9: Bows recoiling into Blades facing in exactly the same direction to a clear space immediately behind the first element met. A recoil is not a tactical move. It is a combat outcome described on p.12. The only time a bow element can in interpenetrate a blade element is when it loses a combat with a recoil result.
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Post by primuspilus on Dec 9, 2019 1:23:46 GMT
Hi Claude; No, the bows cannot interpenetrate the blades. Yup. Interpenetration specifies whether via recoil (outcome move) or a tactical move (not an outcome move). Sucks, but the Bw owner has to let his Bw endure a punch in the schnoz first, and if they survive, they may get to recoil. Murphy's law says one the Bw recoils its opposing Bd instead!!! Nice mess!!!
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Post by mark leslie on Dec 9, 2019 4:40:57 GMT
Cheer up, there's a t-shirt for that!
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Post by macbeth on Dec 9, 2019 22:13:37 GMT
Cheer up, there's a t-shirt for that! From the Agincourt Gift Shop I assume
I want one
Cheers
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Post by coyote139 on Dec 9, 2019 22:51:32 GMT
Hello
Thanks all for your replies, that ius very clear, you do confirm my point.
Yours sincerely
Claude
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Post by Spitzicles on Dec 9, 2019 23:01:58 GMT
From the Agincourt Gift Shop I assume
I want one
Cheers
Sadly no, but a good idea for the Agincourt museum to consider.
This is a t-shirt from New Orleans, where the Saints (the local NFL, American football team) are regularly robbed by fate / opponents / officials of their rightful victory(ies). Their unofficial nickname is the 'Aints. As in aint no good, aint going to win, etc
I have a similar one from a few years ago.
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Post by snowcat on Dec 13, 2019 6:41:11 GMT
That's right. The t-shirt from the Agincourt Gift Shop actually reads: "We lost the battle but we won the f#$%*&g war!"
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Post by cleopatra2 on Dec 13, 2019 21:43:11 GMT
only in the short term.
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Post by snowcat on Dec 14, 2019 0:33:07 GMT
Find another gift shop then. ;D
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Post by medievalthomas on Jan 14, 2020 21:42:21 GMT
Your confusion is understandable as the Bow/Blade Recoil rule is in the movement section but it only applies to Recoiling. 2nd para of the Interpenetrating rules. Bob B. tried to get this moved to the appropriate Recoil section but to no avail. (I moved it in D3H2 - I keep the same text but do feel free to rearrange to make it easier to find).
TomT
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Post by coyote139 on Jan 14, 2020 22:11:44 GMT
Your confusion is understandable as the Bow/Blade Recoil rule is in the movement section but it only applies to Recoiling. 2nd para of the Interpenetrating rules. Bob B. tried to get this moved to the appropriate Recoil section but to no avail. (I moved it in D3H2 - I keep the same text but do feel free to rearrange to make it easier to find). TomT I agree with you. I was sure of my interpretation, of the rule, but as I was a newbie with this rule version and I did not want to argue with my opponent and the umpire... Yopurs sincerely Claude
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