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Post by Cromwell on Oct 12, 2019 7:26:02 GMT
I have just stumbled across a set of DBA rules for the renaissance,Thirty Years War and English Civil War periods. These were originally written by Stephen O'Leary and published in issue 61 of Wargames Illustrated. The rules also include comprehensive army lists.
What has attracted me to the rules is the fact that they have overcome my main concern with DBR and DB RRR namely no Pike/shot integrated elements. This has a pike/shot element fighting at 5+ foot and 3+ mounted.
I intend to try them out this weekend. I may have to adapt a bit as Stephens rules do not list pike/shot as ranged elements which I think a little odd.🤔
As said try them out later and I will give feedback.
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Post by Cromwell on Oct 14, 2019 6:47:45 GMT
Played one game Saturday using these rules. Quite impressed. I like the camp looting optional rules but I feel the pike/shot elements stats need tweeking a bit seems odd the are 5+/3+ when shot elements are 4+/4+
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Post by eg407 on Oct 14, 2019 7:29:13 GMT
Hi Cromwell,
These some interesting. Any chance of sharing them?
Best,
LS
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Post by martin on Oct 14, 2019 10:19:43 GMT
Any glaring differences between how it would work under the DBA version then in use (1.1 or 2??) and the current v3 rules we’re becoming used to?
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Post by felixs on Oct 14, 2019 16:40:15 GMT
That is my main reason to not use DBX rules for the renaissance period (actually that is more like the early modern period, but conventions are sticky once established). I find it grossly out of scale with DBA style rules, even DBR style rules, to have pike and shot on separate elements. I also dislike pike formations made out of two or three elements that can act independently. Looks and feels very wrong and out of the scale of what DBX rules portray.
So I am very interested in hearing about your experiments and whether you come up with something usable.
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Post by rhaksha on Oct 15, 2019 8:23:25 GMT
I made some integrated Pike & Shot bases for TYW DBA in the form S-P-P-S on a 40x20mm base; It may well have been from these rules.
IIRC they played nicely, but the unit could only be used for this version of the game. Separate Pike and Shot bases may be a little out of scale, but they are usable elsewhere.
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Post by judebecker on Oct 15, 2019 17:00:42 GMT
There is another thread I've seen on here with something about this issue using a 40mm by 40mm base and combining P&S I recall.
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Post by vodnik on Oct 15, 2019 19:40:46 GMT
... I think that according to the Irregular War rules most Renaissance armies can be set up. The bases should become DBX standard as well as the distance. But such an army then contains perhaps more then 12 elements...
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Post by Cromwell on Oct 18, 2019 7:30:58 GMT
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Post by rhaksha on Nov 13, 2019 15:48:37 GMT
They are the rules I played.
I had to hunt a bit for the copy of the magazine so thanks for posting the link Cromwell. Now more people can try these rules.
I had a thought about using a larger base to represent a combined Pike & Shot base as (crudely) illustrated below. Would this be possible in 15mm on a 40x40 or would a larger base be necessary?
S - - S
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 13, 2019 19:00:22 GMT
I can't see a problem if you only increase the depth and leave the width alone.
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