rb
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Post by rb on Sept 7, 2019 19:58:16 GMT
When you dismount from Kn to Bd.
Do you move first, then dismount?
Do you dismount first, then move?
Or do you dismount and stay?
Ty in advance, RB
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Post by nangwaya on Sept 7, 2019 20:28:40 GMT
Hi rb;
As far as I know, the dismounting action replaces your move, then you can move the dismounted element on your next bound.
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Post by nangwaya on Sept 7, 2019 20:31:29 GMT
Oh, and just in case you don't know, you cannot dismount if the element is in contact with am enemy element or in an enemy TZ.
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Post by bob on Sept 8, 2019 1:04:20 GMT
The rule seems pretty clear
"An element of Knights, Cavalry, Camelry or Light Horse that uses its move to dismount is exchanged (with its front edge in the same place) for the foot type, then moves in subsequent bounds as that foot. It cannot dismount while in any contact with enemy or in an enemy Threat Zone (TZ)."
1. use tactical move to dismount
2. front edges in same place. So a group column of Kn are no longer a column of Blades (that is an important clarification from 2.0)
3. move on foot in SUBSEQUENT bounds as foot, not same bound as dismount
4. not in contact with enemy, even overlap, and not in threat zone.
5. done by element
7. stated elsewhere, no remount, so just take off the mounted element and replace with foot.
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Post by stevie on Sept 8, 2019 6:30:17 GMT
Just reinforcing what both Nangwaya and Bob have said. Here is what the rules say:- Troop Definitions, page 3 paragraph 3“A few army lists permit some elements to ‘dismount’, i.e. be exchanged for a foot element, but these cannot later remount. Those listed as / or // can be deployed as either the mounted type or already dismounted as the foot type; those listed as // can also dismount during the game as a complete single tactical move.” Tactical Moves, page 8 second paragraph“An element of Knights, Cavalry, Camelry or Light Horse that uses its move to dismount is exchanged (with its front edge in the same place) for the foot type, then moves in later bounds as that foot. It cannot dismount while in any contact with enemy or in an enemy TZ.” Multi-game Tournaments, page 13 paragraph 1“Army composition cannot be changed between games; except that an element listed as / or // can be deployed at the start of each game as either mounted or dismounted.” Troop Definitions and Terminology, page 31“/”between 2 codes or prefix numbers directs that either can be used by all (not some of) those elements. If between a mounted and a foot type it directs that all, (not some of) the mounted type can be replaced by the foot type before deployment. “//” between two codes means that an element deployed as mounted can be exchanged for the dismounted element during the game, but cannot then change back.” That's all the references I can find about dismounting in the rules. Note that “can also dismount during the game as a complete single tactical move.” But some troops (LH, and those on a road) can make multiple tactical moves if they have enough PIP’s. So I presume these can move in one tactical move and dismount in a subsequent tactical move, or dismount in one tactical move then move in a subsequent tactical move...all within a single bound. (Oh...later edit.
LH obviously couldn't dismount in one tactical move and then move in a subsequent
tactical move in a single bound, because once they dismount they are no longer LH...
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Post by bob on Sept 10, 2019 6:03:48 GMT
Wouldn’t it be true that all dismounting types can take a second and subsequent move on a road, after dismounting?
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Post by razgor on Mar 6, 2023 14:53:35 GMT
Can i move with a LH 2 times with 2 Pips and dismount with another Pip ?
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Post by sheffmark on Mar 7, 2023 13:43:50 GMT
Can i move with a LH 2 times with 2 Pips and dismount with another Pip ? Don't see anything in the rules as quoted above that's stopping this. |
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Post by timurilank on Mar 7, 2023 15:00:08 GMT
Can i move with a LH 2 times with 2 Pips and dismount with another Pip ? I read this differently. Tactical moves (explained earlier by Bob) Page 8, 2nd paragraph, line 3 An element of Knights, Cavalry, … uses its move to dismount is exchanged (…) for the foot type, then moves in subsequent bounds as that foot. Second or subsequent moves. Page 9, Some elements or groups that have already moved this bound can make a second or subsequent tactical move …. a. Light Horse … b. Psiloi …. c. Troops moving along a road …. Troop DefinitionsPage 3, paragraph 3, line 3 … those listed as // can dismount during the game as a complete single element tactical move. |
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Post by felixs on Mar 7, 2023 16:12:45 GMT
I "sense" the intention that dismounting should only be allowed as the only move in that bound.
But the rules as written do not seem to disallow dismounting being the last tactical move in a series of tactical moves.
I assume this is an omission in the rules, since this mostly only affects LH and there are few cases of dismounting LH and those are in rather exotic armies.
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Post by stevie on Mar 7, 2023 16:37:47 GMT
Can i move with a LH 2 times with 2 Pips and dismount with another Pip ? I read this differently. Troop DefinitionsPage 3, paragraph 3, line 3 … those listed as // can dismount during the game as a complete single element tactical move. Hmmm…I don’t see how that makes any difference Timurilank. Yes, Troop Definitions on page 3, paragraph 3, line 3, does indeed say:- ”… those listed as // can dismount during the game as a complete single element tactical move.” But note that it says “a complete single element tactical move”… …it does NOT say “that takes up the entire bound”. So what exactly is a tactical move? Well, Subsequent Moves on page 9 says:- “Some elements or groups that have already moved this bound can make a second or subsequent tactical move…” Therefore IV/18 Lithuanian Light Horse could presumably do the following:- 1) Spend an entire tactical move backing out of an enemy Threat Zone… 2) Once clear of the TZ, it’s able to make a 2nd tactical move to zoom off elsewhere… 3) And in it’s 3rd and final subsequent move, it can move again or use this last complete tactical move to dismount as 3Bow. And all this within a single bound. Or are we saying that backing out of a TZ takes up an entire bound, and dismounting does the same? That’s not what the rules say, as Felixs points out. |
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Post by hodsopa on Jul 20, 2024 13:34:17 GMT
Two more dismounting questions:
1) can elements that dismount as Bw shoot on that bound (because they have not "moved more than 1BW this bound")?
2) is it right that an invader's dismountable elements need not decide whether to deploy mounted or dismounted until they see the enemy's deployment (because that is the moment at which "the invader deploys its elements", and therefore at which it is decided whether these elements are to be "deployed as mounted")?
Views welcome!
Paul H
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